DL to restart Berlin
Jul 18, 22, 5:00 pm
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DL to restart Berlin
Daily JFK-BER service from 25MAY23 with the 767-300ER.
Reported by Simple Flying and already for sale in the GDS. No apparent details as to whether this is seasonal or year-round.
Reported by Simple Flying and already for sale in the GDS. No apparent details as to whether this is seasonal or year-round.
Jul 19, 22, 1:32 am
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Great news. Since the collapse of Air Berlin, and it’s major delay of opening of the BER airport, Berlin has lost access to so many non-stop flights. Berlin is definitely an under-served market with huge business and governmental presence. I also think LH will someday declare BER to become one of their hub (after FRA and MUC).
Eventually, I also think we will also get ATL flight to BER. Only time will tell.
Jiburi
Eventually, I also think we will also get ATL flight to BER. Only time will tell.
Jiburi
Jul 19, 22, 4:00 am
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Great news. Since the collapse of Air Berlin, and it’s major delay of opening of the BER airport, Berlin has lost access to so many non-stop flights. Berlin is definitely an under-served market with huge business and governmental presence. I also think LH will someday declare BER to become one of their hub (after FRA and MUC).
Eventually, I also think we will also get ATL flight to BER. Only time will tell.
Jiburi
Eventually, I also think we will also get ATL flight to BER. Only time will tell.
Jiburi
Jul 19, 22, 5:20 am
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Let's be honest- while Berlin is the political capital and popular with tourists, the economic capitals of Germany remain Frankfurt and Munich. That's not going to change (and neither will the business travellers). And given LH has all its logistics and contracts set up at FRA and MUC, to make yet a 3rd city within Germany a hub wouldn't work.
Jul 19, 22, 6:06 am
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Great news. Since the collapse of Air Berlin, and it’s major delay of opening of the BER airport, Berlin has lost access to so many non-stop flights. Berlin is definitely an under-served market with huge business and governmental presence. I also think LH will someday declare BER to become one of their hub (after FRA and MUC).
Eventually, I also think we will also get ATL flight to BER. Only time will tell.
Jiburi
Eventually, I also think we will also get ATL flight to BER. Only time will tell.
Jiburi
Jul 19, 22, 6:16 am
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Great news. Since the collapse of Air Berlin, and it’s major delay of opening of the BER airport, Berlin has lost access to so many non-stop flights. Berlin is definitely an under-served market with huge business and governmental presence. I also think LH will someday declare BER to become one of their hub (after FRA and MUC).
Eventually, I also think we will also get ATL flight to BER. Only time will tell.
Jiburi
Eventually, I also think we will also get ATL flight to BER. Only time will tell.
Jiburi
This flight is just to apply pressure on Norse Atlantic which somehow thinks BER is going to be a barn burner of a market, apparently. By the time DL starts this flight, Norse may be already BK (again)...
Jul 19, 22, 7:39 am
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Isn't there a growing tech presence in Berlin? The city has certainly gotten a lot more expensive than it was even 10 years ago, with lots of young people moving there. Sort of reminds me of San Francisco.
I travel there every couple of years and really wish there were at least one west coast option on any airline to fly into BER. The connections at AMS or CDG have become such a pain.
I travel there every couple of years and really wish there were at least one west coast option on any airline to fly into BER. The connections at AMS or CDG have become such a pain.
Jul 19, 22, 8:44 am
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Isn't there a growing tech presence in Berlin? The city has certainly gotten a lot more expensive than it was even 10 years ago, with lots of young people moving there. Sort of reminds me of San Francisco.
I travel there every couple of years and really wish there were at least one west coast option on any airline to fly into BER. The connections at AMS or CDG have become such a pain.
I travel there every couple of years and really wish there were at least one west coast option on any airline to fly into BER. The connections at AMS or CDG have become such a pain.
DL runs to ATL year-round with the A330 nicely with the business and US military links, and also to MUC with business and tourism. But a direct DL flight from the US west coast to Berlin I just don't see.
Jul 19, 22, 9:17 am
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Isn't there a growing tech presence in Berlin? The city has certainly gotten a lot more expensive than it was even 10 years ago, with lots of young people moving there. Sort of reminds me of San Francisco.
I travel there every couple of years and really wish there were at least one west coast option on any airline to fly into BER. The connections at AMS or CDG have become such a pain.
I travel there every couple of years and really wish there were at least one west coast option on any airline to fly into BER. The connections at AMS or CDG have become such a pain.
Jul 19, 22, 9:58 am
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But isn't there a difference between entrenched German bureaucracy (which will change when pigs fly) and start-up culture?
Jul 19, 22, 11:50 am
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STR's return has been delayed and delayed and delayed (it was also supposed to come back this winter, and now it's pushed till next summer). STR is all about business and it's clear that the business travel segment hasn't recovered to nearly the level that DL thinks they need for the nonstop to return. Delta probably believes the leisure travel segment to Europe (with US-originating pax) next summer is still going to be 'hot' and where it's at...hence they are already bringing back BER this far in advance. Unlike STR which has been rescheduled and rescheduled since the pandemic start, Berlin was completely dropped indefinitely at the start of the pandemic...
