Pilots Picketing Today
Jul 1, 2022, 6:07 am
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Some A350 pilots were closing in at around $900,000 as reported on airlinepilotforums.com. The rest well into the hundreds of thousands a year. But yes let's stomp around the airport like spoiled children. There are people who are truly struggling and feeling the impact of inflation. This is a slap in the face to those families.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:07 am
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Not to be a contrarian but why are pilots any different than individual professionals? If one doesn’t like the work environment, isn’t it that person’s choice to look for alternate employment or profession?
I understand that pilots have chosen to form a union and thus they operate under that framework. The same option could be pursued within other professions yet the approach is typically stated that such professionals should just seek alternate employment if they are dissatisfied with their work (e.g., pay, hours, etc.)
I understand that pilots have chosen to form a union and thus they operate under that framework. The same option could be pursued within other professions yet the approach is typically stated that such professionals should just seek alternate employment if they are dissatisfied with their work (e.g., pay, hours, etc.)
Jul 1, 2022, 6:09 am
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yes, lots of troglodytes who expect their servants to bow and scrape constantly will get mad at pilots
Jul 1, 2022, 6:12 am
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But pilots are well aware of that before choosing this career path. It's a choice they made. No one forced them. They also like to play on the heart strings and talk about the family time that they miss. Again, that was their choice. They prioritized wanting to be a pilot over spending time with their family. It's not something that caught them by surprise when they got hired. They are compensated exceptionally well.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:13 am
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what a bizzare worldview, if you aren't 100% happy with something, your only option is to quit and change careers? lol ok bud.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:13 am
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Like everyone else these days.
They want more pay and less work.
They don't get to work from home like most white collar workers these days.
They want more pay and less work.
They don't get to work from home like most white collar workers these days.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:15 am
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Not to be a contrarian but why are pilots any different than individual professionals? If one doesn’t like the work environment, isn’t it that person’s choice to look for alternate employment or profession?
I understand that pilots have chosen to form a union and thus they operate under that framework. The same option could be pursued within other professions yet the approach is typically stated that such professionals should just seek alternate employment if they are dissatisfied with their work (e.g., pay, hours, etc.)
I understand that pilots have chosen to form a union and thus they operate under that framework. The same option could be pursued within other professions yet the approach is typically stated that such professionals should just seek alternate employment if they are dissatisfied with their work (e.g., pay, hours, etc.)
If you simply disagree with the concept of unionization, I don't think that is on topic. But it would be better for anyone (Delta, its employees, or its customers) for Deltas pilots to simply quit in mass rather than attempt to reach an agreement about terms and conditions of work.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:18 am
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But pilots are well aware of that before choosing this career path. It's a choice they made. No one forced them. They also like to play on the heart strings and talk about the family time that they miss. Again, that was their choice. They prioritized wanting to be a pilot over spending time with their family. It's not something that caught them by surprise when they got hired. They are compensated exceptionally well.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:21 am
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Have you never asked for a raise before? You just change professions? Reinvent yourself?
If it's up to each person why are you complaining about what others do?
Jul 1, 2022, 6:26 am
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I said they are paid exceptionally well. Why do you take that to mean I think they are overpaid? These pilots are making as much if not more than some of Delta's senior management. But people like to often claim all management is overpaid. Every new generation of aircraft becomes easier to operate. Workload has decreased dramatically since the days of the 727, DC-8, etc and work rules have become significantly more lenient with increased rest hours and crew augmentation. Yet the pilots never seem to be satisfied and are constantly upset about one thing or another. Meanwhile managements job hasn't gotten any easier at all. Every quarter shareholders demand even better performance than the last even when you don't have two dimes to rub together.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:31 am
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I said they are paid exceptionally well. Why do you take that to mean I think they are overpaid? These pilots are making as much if not more than some of Delta's senior management. But people like to often claim all management is overpaid. Every new generation of aircraft becomes easier to operate. Workload has decreased dramatically since the days of the 727, DC-8, etc and work rules have become significantly more lenient with increased rest hours and crew augmentation. Yet the pilots never seem to be satisfied and are constantly upset about one thing or another. Meanwhile managements job hasn't gotten any easier at all. Every quarter shareholders demand even better performance than the last even when you don't have two dimes to rub together.
pity the poor managers
Jul 1, 2022, 6:38 am
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It seems to me the pilots are complaining about system staffing shortages and having to work overtime (which seems to be paid) more than they are complaining about compensation.
They seem to be saying I am willing to give up some $$$s to have more of a life.
That seems reasonable to me. Although, I’m not sure where DL management is going to make pilots magically appear.
They seem to be saying I am willing to give up some $$$s to have more of a life.
That seems reasonable to me. Although, I’m not sure where DL management is going to make pilots magically appear.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:42 am
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Not to be a contrarian but why are pilots any different than individual professionals? If one doesn’t like the work environment, isn’t it that person’s choice to look for alternate employment or profession?
I understand that pilots have chosen to form a union and thus they operate under that framework. The same option could be pursued within other professions yet the approach is typically stated that such professionals should just seek alternate employment if they are dissatisfied with their work (e.g., pay, hours, etc.)
I understand that pilots have chosen to form a union and thus they operate under that framework. The same option could be pursued within other professions yet the approach is typically stated that such professionals should just seek alternate employment if they are dissatisfied with their work (e.g., pay, hours, etc.)
It costs like $100k to become a commercial pilot, kind of a hard pill to swallow to just 'look for alternate profession'.
Jul 1, 2022, 6:44 am
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It seems to me the pilots are complaining about system staffing shortages and having to work overtime (which seems to be paid) more than they are complaining about compensation.
They seem to be saying I am willing to give up some $$$s to have more of a life.
That seems reasonable to me. Although, I’m not sure where DL management is going to make pilots magically appear.
They seem to be saying I am willing to give up some $$$s to have more of a life.
That seems reasonable to me. Although, I’m not sure where DL management is going to make pilots magically appear.