DL continues to weaken operationally (Summer 2022 Meltdown)
Jun 27, 22, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by kavok
DL is basically operating the minimum number of LGA flights necessary to not lose coveted LGA slots. That is the reason they won’t cut LGA further, and return the flights to DTW and MSP.
As put more succinctly above, DL management has prioritized retaining LGA slots over providing better overall network reliability.
As put more succinctly above, DL management has prioritized retaining LGA slots over providing better overall network reliability.
Jun 27, 22, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by xliioper
You can see big ramp-up in LGA departures last November when slot waivers expired and departures are way up from the same time last year. Meanwhile, Flightaware is showing DTW, MSP, and ATL are actually running slightly below daily departures compared to same time last year.
Jun 27, 22, 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by unitedbusiness
Weekend’s over, and DL is already up to 200 cancellations on a Monday,..
Jun 27, 22, 9:07 am
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Originally Posted by kavok
Multiple factors are at play. WX is an obvious one. But there are other factors too. Issues staffing gates, pilot shortages, etc. all add to the problems.
But why so bad now? Because look where the recent 100 flight cuts went? Mostly ATL/DTW/MSP. DL can’t cut LGA and keep its slots. DL can’t cut SEA and keep all its gates. DL can’t cut BOS and LAX much and maintain its growth momentum. So when summer goes south and the network is trimmed more, the interior hubs get cut… which if gates/slots/momentum weren’t an issue, the interior hubs would be the last place DL would want to cut from the schedule.
But why so bad now? Because look where the recent 100 flight cuts went? Mostly ATL/DTW/MSP. DL can’t cut LGA and keep its slots. DL can’t cut SEA and keep all its gates. DL can’t cut BOS and LAX much and maintain its growth momentum. So when summer goes south and the network is trimmed more, the interior hubs get cut… which if gates/slots/momentum weren’t an issue, the interior hubs would be the last place DL would want to cut from the schedule.
Regarding weather: other airlines also are affected by the weather, and they're cancelling far less flights. (Note: The WX was not a factor this past weekend, today it will be).
Jun 27, 22, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by rylan
Gonna be a mess today I bet... storms coming in northeast region BOS/JFK/LGA area this afternoon.
DL at LGA is a mess on a clear good weather day. Once the LGA/JFK area gets congested the spillover starts impacting BOS because of ATC issues through the corridor. And what doesn't help BOS is that a lot of the staff commute from other locations, so if DL cancels flights up from ATL for example, then we're missing more crew for other flights. One of the ATL-BOS-ATL flights has been canceled just about every day for a while.
DL at LGA is a mess on a clear good weather day. Once the LGA/JFK area gets congested the spillover starts impacting BOS because of ATC issues through the corridor. And what doesn't help BOS is that a lot of the staff commute from other locations, so if DL cancels flights up from ATL for example, then we're missing more crew for other flights. One of the ATL-BOS-ATL flights has been canceled just about every day for a while.
Jun 27, 22, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle
Next weekend should be awful. Grab the popcorn and stay away from the airports. Even if you manage to get out on July 1/2 you still need to get home July 4/5.
Jun 27, 22, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle
We now have 3 long weekends out of 6-7 weeks between Memorial Day, Juneteenth/Father's Day and July 4. This should have been a relatively quieter travel weekend sandwiched in between 2 long weekends and we had great weather. Next weekend should be awful. Grab the popcorn and stay away from the airports. Even if you manage to get out on July 1/2 you still need to get home July 4/5.
Jun 27, 22, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by HDQDD
The ATL/MSP/DTW hubs are seeing the vast majority of the cancellations...
Regarding weather: other airlines also are affected by the weather, and they're cancelling far less flights. (Note: The WX was not a factor this past weekend, today it will be).
Regarding weather: other airlines also are affected by the weather, and they're cancelling far less flights. (Note: The WX was not a factor this past weekend, today it will be).
ATL 49
LGA 12
JFK 8
DTW 7
SEA 7
MSP 5
BOS 5
MIA 5
Last edited by xliioper; Jun 27, 22 at 10:10 am
Jun 27, 22, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by HDQDD
I have 2 R/T DL itins (4 total flights) between tomorrow and next Tuesday. Not looking forward to it. One trip for work the other for vacay. All non-stops…but who knows. I see they cancelled an RDUDTW flight today, and that’s the same flight I’m on tomorrow. Weather could be a major factor today on the East coast. Right now there’s basically a line of TS from ATL to BOS that will intensify as it gets hotter. Good times.
Jun 27, 22, 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by DLASflyer
Just abysmal end of day stats.
8x more cancellations than Frontier. (by percentage)
4x more cancellations than American.
4x more cancellations than United.
4x more cancellations than Allegiant.
3x more cancellations than Alaska.
Southwest, Spirit JetBlue, Hawaiian and Sun Country did not cancel a single flight between them today. Delta cancelled 227 and counting.
8x more cancellations than Frontier. (by percentage)
4x more cancellations than American.
4x more cancellations than United.
4x more cancellations than Allegiant.
3x more cancellations than Alaska.
Southwest, Spirit JetBlue, Hawaiian and Sun Country did not cancel a single flight between them today. Delta cancelled 227 and counting.
Jun 27, 22, 10:35 am
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Here’s the latest op plan form the FAA. All times in Z (UTC). Staffing issues at JAX center (again) will affect FL flows. And pretty much every major airport on the East Coast either on a GDP now, or likely to have one later. Today is likely going to be a mess (beyond just DL).
PCT = Potomac TRACON (DC area airports)
N90 = NY Metro TRACON (NYC airports)
It’s all because of the cranes @ DCA 😂
PCT = Potomac TRACON (DC area airports)
N90 = NY Metro TRACON (NYC airports)
It’s all because of the cranes @ DCA 😂
STAFFING CONSTRAINTS:
ZJX - STAFFING TRIGGER SOUTH AREA UNTIL 1800Z
ZJX - STAFFING TRIGGER CENTRAL AREA UNTIL 2000Z
ZJX - STAFFING TRIGGER SOUTH/WEST/NORTH AREA 1800-0200Z
SCT - STAFFING TRIGGER COA AREA 2100-0300Z
TERMINAL CONSTRAINTS:
FLORIDA/PHL/ATL/CLT/PCT/I90 - THUNDERSTORMS
N90 - LOW CEILINGS/VISIBILITY/THUNDERSTORMS
SFO - LOW CEILINGS
BOS - WIND/THUNDERSTORMS
DCA - CRANES
DAL - RWY/TAXIWAY CONSTRUCTION
TERMINAL CONSTRAINTS/LOW WEATHER/EXTERNAL RFI:
LAX/LGB
TERMINAL ACTIVE:
UNTIL 2259 -LGA GROUND DELAY PROGRAM
TERMINAL PLANNED:
AFTER 1600 -PHL GROUND STOP/GROUND DELAY PROGRAM POSSIBLE
AFTER 1600 -FLORIDA TERMINALS GROUND STOP POSSIBLE
AFTER 1600 -CLT GROUND STOP/GROUND DELAY PROGRAM POSSBILE
AFTER 1800 -ATL GROUND STOP/GROUND DELAY PROGRAM POSSIBLE
UNTIL 0000 -N90 GROUND STOP/GROUND DELAY PROGRAM POSSIBLE
ZJX - STAFFING TRIGGER SOUTH AREA UNTIL 1800Z
ZJX - STAFFING TRIGGER CENTRAL AREA UNTIL 2000Z
ZJX - STAFFING TRIGGER SOUTH/WEST/NORTH AREA 1800-0200Z
SCT - STAFFING TRIGGER COA AREA 2100-0300Z
TERMINAL CONSTRAINTS:
FLORIDA/PHL/ATL/CLT/PCT/I90 - THUNDERSTORMS
N90 - LOW CEILINGS/VISIBILITY/THUNDERSTORMS
SFO - LOW CEILINGS
BOS - WIND/THUNDERSTORMS
DCA - CRANES
DAL - RWY/TAXIWAY CONSTRUCTION
TERMINAL CONSTRAINTS/LOW WEATHER/EXTERNAL RFI:
LAX/LGB
TERMINAL ACTIVE:
UNTIL 2259 -LGA GROUND DELAY PROGRAM
TERMINAL PLANNED:
AFTER 1600 -PHL GROUND STOP/GROUND DELAY PROGRAM POSSIBLE
AFTER 1600 -FLORIDA TERMINALS GROUND STOP POSSIBLE
AFTER 1600 -CLT GROUND STOP/GROUND DELAY PROGRAM POSSBILE
AFTER 1800 -ATL GROUND STOP/GROUND DELAY PROGRAM POSSIBLE
UNTIL 0000 -N90 GROUND STOP/GROUND DELAY PROGRAM POSSIBLE
