Delta Meltdown 4/2/2022
Apr 4, 2022, 9:17 pm
#76
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,601
Sorry but IMO it's still the responsibility of the employee (pilot, FA, or whatever) to get themself to the duty station on time and in good shape for their duties. If not, disciplinary action is appropriate according to the union contract or stated company policies.
One other thing to add to this is that FAs (and I believe Pilots) have gotten positive space on flights since COVID started. As a result, commuters may choose not to fly to their base a day early or perhaps much earlier in the day as they are guaranteed space on the flight. Unfortunately if the flight cancels, the employee won't be at their base and has a call out. I don't know how many this impacted, but likely some.
Firing people for missing a commute flight right now due to weather is basically the same as lighting your house on fire to protest the color of your neighbors house. Not if it happens all the time that is a different situation but once or twice, due to things outside of the employee's control is laughable right now.
Apr 5, 2022, 2:38 am
#78
Join Date: Mar 2003
Programs: former MD-88 jumpseat Medallion. DL FO, AA PLT PRO. Marriott LT Plat.
Posts: 752
Unfortunately you can't isolate that type of IROP to only those cities affected by the ATC programs when the duration is THAT LONG and the percentage of operations into Florida is that great, with many, many markets being hourly out of Atlanta.
(btw ... even pre-covid, DL would voluntarily positive-space commuters into NY the day before an IROP AND get them a hotel, if they knew NYC was going to take a pasting the next day. And it wasn't in anyone's contract ... it was just good business sense. But you can't pre-plan for what ATC did to the domestic network last week. Unacceptable delays for that kind of enroute weather, especially when the stations were in the clear).
Apr 5, 2022, 7:50 am
#80
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Hotlanta.
Programs: I've gone underground!
Posts: 4,602
Apr 5, 2022, 9:37 am
#81
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 163
Sorry but IMO it's still the responsibility of the employee (pilot, FA, or whatever) to get themself to the duty station on time and in good shape for their duties. If not, disciplinary action is appropriate according to the union contract or stated company policies.
No employee should face administrative action period in this case.
Apr 5, 2022, 11:27 am
#82
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2000
Location: TPA for now. Hopefully LIS for retirement
Posts: 13,691
Because if so, you are incorrect.
Apr 5, 2022, 11:29 am
#83
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta but Washington DC will always be home.
Programs: Marriott LTP, Hilton Diamond, Accor Gold, Hyatt Explorist,, Delta Plat,
Posts: 2,070
Currently in the T Club, waiting on a delayed flight to head North. Tons of delays on the flight board (including my flight) and the club is very crowded for a midday Tuesday. Very few cancelations- yet.
Quite a fun drive from Cherokee County to the airport with the weather. Going to be a fun afternoon here.
Quite a fun drive from Cherokee County to the airport with the weather. Going to be a fun afternoon here.
Apr 5, 2022, 11:38 am
#84
Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: Delta PM
Posts: 890
Currently in the T Club, waiting on a delayed flight to head North. Tons of delays on the flight board (including my flight) and the club is very crowded for a midday Tuesday. Very few cancelations- yet.
Quite a fun drive from Cherokee County to the airport with the weather. Going to be a fun afternoon here.
Quite a fun drive from Cherokee County to the airport with the weather. Going to be a fun afternoon here.
Apr 5, 2022, 11:48 am
#85
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Hotlanta.
Programs: I've gone underground!
Posts: 4,602
I live in Decatur and I always open up Waze before heading to the airport... it's amazing how many times it's faster to take 78 out to 285 and drive around vs driving via Ponce and Freedom Parkway. Every blue moon it sends me down to 20-> 85/75.
Apr 5, 2022, 11:58 am
#86
Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: Delta PM
Posts: 890
Gotcha. I'm up in Woodstock, so almost always just take 285 unless it's very early in the AM; the connector tends to just be a mess more often than not.
Apr 5, 2022, 12:00 pm
#87
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta but Washington DC will always be home.
Programs: Marriott LTP, Hilton Diamond, Accor Gold, Hyatt Explorist,, Delta Plat,
Posts: 2,070
Waze sent me down 285. Took the Peach Pass lanes down 575/75 which was smooth sailing (I live in Woodstock) but 285 was a mess. Fortunately thw only accident was a single car that had spun out and hit the median jersey barrier.
Waze hardly sends me down the connector unless im leaving directly from work (Alpharetta).
Waze hardly sends me down the connector unless im leaving directly from work (Alpharetta).
Apr 5, 2022, 12:07 pm
#88
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,403
I recall asking a DL employee (not crew) what would happen if someone missed a day of work due to not being able to get onto a flight home when flying NRSA (for leisure or personal reasons, of course). The response was that there wouldn't be big consequences the first time, but employees were expected to be aware of the potential risks of nonrev travel and plan accordingly so as not to miss work..
Apr 5, 2022, 12:34 pm
#89
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta but Washington DC will always be home.
Programs: Marriott LTP, Hilton Diamond, Accor Gold, Hyatt Explorist,, Delta Plat,
Posts: 2,070
ATL T Club is now closed because of crowding (1 in for every 1 out).
My flight is now delayed until after 9pm....At least its not cancelled. No seats on any other flight to my destination or the two closest airports (from which I can get transport to my destination).
Just going to be that kind of day.
My flight is now delayed until after 9pm....At least its not cancelled. No seats on any other flight to my destination or the two closest airports (from which I can get transport to my destination).
Just going to be that kind of day.
Apr 5, 2022, 12:36 pm
#90
Moderator: Hyatt; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: WAS
Programs: :rolleyes:, DL DM, Mlife Plat, Caesars Diam, Marriott Tit, UA Gold, Hyatt Glob, invol FT beta tester
Posts: 18,923
Not sure what would apply here (esp since I think we're at least partially speculating to begin with) but there's a difference between an employee returning from a leisure trip on a non-rev basis, or (if I recall correctly) commuting from home to their base (if they don't live in it), vs. if they are already at base but need to fly (for the employer's convenience) to a different station to begin their duties.