Seat upgrades are non-refundable?
Jul 10, 2022, 8:22 am
#31
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Chicago, IL
Programs: Delta Platinum Medallion, Bonvoy Platinum, HH Gold
Posts: 184
Yeah it would (helped me).
I think I had to escalate, but there was some fee which Delta used and basically it was covered by Allianz.
(note that Delta can selectively choose to give you 1 billion miles - it's not real, it has ZERO par/monetary value outside of Delta... and it's completely up to them).
So in this case, seasoned travelers would have...
HUCA
I think I had to escalate, but there was some fee which Delta used and basically it was covered by Allianz.
(note that Delta can selectively choose to give you 1 billion miles - it's not real, it has ZERO par/monetary value outside of Delta... and it's completely up to them).
So in this case, seasoned travelers would have...
HUCA
Jul 10, 2022, 9:08 am
#32
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2008
Programs: Formaldehyde Medallion DL DieMiles
Posts: 12,646
I never purchase the FC UG as a separate add-on purchase.
After purchasing the coach ticket (to have a receipt showing the fair fare charge for my client to reimburse), I call the DM line to cancel the ticket and purchase the FC ticket.
The incremental cost is sometimes less than the UG cost offered on, say, the seat selection page.
After purchasing the coach ticket (to have a receipt showing the fair fare charge for my client to reimburse), I call the DM line to cancel the ticket and purchase the FC ticket.
The incremental cost is sometimes less than the UG cost offered on, say, the seat selection page.
Jul 10, 2022, 9:37 am
#33
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Chicago, IL
Programs: Delta Platinum Medallion, Bonvoy Platinum, HH Gold
Posts: 184
I never purchase the FC UG as a separate add-on purchase.
After purchasing the coach ticket (to have a receipt showing the fair fare charge for my client to reimburse), I call the DM line to cancel the ticket and purchase the FC ticket.
The incremental cost is sometimes less than the UG cost offered on, say, the seat selection page.
After purchasing the coach ticket (to have a receipt showing the fair fare charge for my client to reimburse), I call the DM line to cancel the ticket and purchase the FC ticket.
The incremental cost is sometimes less than the UG cost offered on, say, the seat selection page.
For this ticket, it was a one way from HNL to MYR, connecting in ATL...paid $315; D1 was going for $3,900, so I figured the miles were worth it this time around...even the $$$ would have been (they were asking $875). Didn't expect to have to cancel...but one never does
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Jul 10, 2022, 11:59 am
#34
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 3,097
Reviving this thread...
Just got off the phone with the Platinum Medallion line.
Got a hard no on getting miles back that I used to upgrade to D1 on a flight to HI...despite there being 15+ seats for sale currently on the flight.
I have a medical situation with a family member I must contend with and need to cancel my trip; rep told me that there was no way to get the miles back, even if I changed the flight to a later date.
Just got off the phone with the Platinum Medallion line.
Got a hard no on getting miles back that I used to upgrade to D1 on a flight to HI...despite there being 15+ seats for sale currently on the flight.
I have a medical situation with a family member I must contend with and need to cancel my trip; rep told me that there was no way to get the miles back, even if I changed the flight to a later date.
when is the flight? just wait until day of to cancel, you're going to get a credit for the original fare anyway, and this way if the schedule changes, you can get the cash payment refunded and get your miles back.
Jul 10, 2022, 12:01 pm
#35
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 3,097
I never purchase the FC UG as a separate add-on purchase.
After purchasing the coach ticket (to have a receipt showing the fair fare charge for my client to reimburse), I call the DM line to cancel the ticket and purchase the FC ticket.
The incremental cost is sometimes less than the UG cost offered on, say, the seat selection page.
After purchasing the coach ticket (to have a receipt showing the fair fare charge for my client to reimburse), I call the DM line to cancel the ticket and purchase the FC ticket.
The incremental cost is sometimes less than the UG cost offered on, say, the seat selection page.
Jul 10, 2022, 9:02 pm
#36
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Programs: Formaldehyde Medallion DL DieMiles
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I purchase the coach ticket, and that is what I legitimately invoice the client for.
I then cancel the coach ticket and purchase the FC ticket, paying the difference out of my own pocket.
Everyone ends up whole, and I have a legitimate FC ticket for which DL cannot game me out of the fare difference if I have to make a change.
So, perhaps, not everyone ends up whole. DL loses the opportunity to disadvantage me. I can live with that.
Jul 11, 2022, 1:47 am
#37
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: DL, UA, AA
Posts: 1,996
If they do, they're delusional, or deficient in reading comprehension.
I purchase the coach ticket, and that is what I legitimately invoice the client for.
I then cancel the coach ticket and purchase the FC ticket, paying the difference out of my own pocket.
Everyone ends up whole, and I have a legitimate FC ticket for which DL cannot game me out of the fare difference if I have to make a change.
So, perhaps, not everyone ends up whole. DL loses the opportunity to disadvantage me. I can live with that.
I purchase the coach ticket, and that is what I legitimately invoice the client for.
I then cancel the coach ticket and purchase the FC ticket, paying the difference out of my own pocket.
Everyone ends up whole, and I have a legitimate FC ticket for which DL cannot game me out of the fare difference if I have to make a change.
So, perhaps, not everyone ends up whole. DL loses the opportunity to disadvantage me. I can live with that.
I think the rationale would always be "if you're willing to cut corners on this, what ELSE will you be willing to cut corners on?"
Jul 11, 2022, 1:59 am
#38
Join Date: Dec 2021
Posts: 102
If they do, they're delusional, or deficient in reading comprehension.
I purchase the coach ticket, and that is what I legitimately invoice the client for.
I then cancel the coach ticket and purchase the FC ticket, paying the difference out of my own pocket.
Everyone ends up whole, and I have a legitimate FC ticket for which DL cannot game me out of the fare difference if I have to make a change.
So, perhaps, not everyone ends up whole. DL loses the opportunity to disadvantage me. I can live with that.
I purchase the coach ticket, and that is what I legitimately invoice the client for.
I then cancel the coach ticket and purchase the FC ticket, paying the difference out of my own pocket.
Everyone ends up whole, and I have a legitimate FC ticket for which DL cannot game me out of the fare difference if I have to make a change.
So, perhaps, not everyone ends up whole. DL loses the opportunity to disadvantage me. I can live with that.
Jul 11, 2022, 5:42 am
#39
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 3,097
I don't know how to break it to you, but that's fraud, even if it seems fair. I can't imagine anyone really pursuing it, but the fact is that you're doing it that way because you're breaking someone's reimbursement rules.
I think the rationale would always be "if you're willing to cut corners on this, what ELSE will you be willing to cut corners on?"
I think the rationale would always be "if you're willing to cut corners on this, what ELSE will you be willing to cut corners on?"
Jul 11, 2022, 6:17 am
#41
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: DL, UA, AA
Posts: 1,996
If the charge is valid, you don't need to do that. I'm just pointing out that there is likely a better way to do this.
Last edited by Goodoldflyer; Jul 11, 2022 at 6:23 am
Jul 11, 2022, 7:47 am
#43
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Minneapolis
Programs: AA EXP, Hyatt Diamond, SPG Gold, GlobalEntry, Admirals Club, United Club
Posts: 1,948
Billing a client based on a charge where you got a refund is technically fraud, and the only reason you'd need do that is if you weren't allowed to charge the client the cost of the ticket you actually purchased.
If the charge is valid, you don't need to do that. I'm just pointing out that there is likely a better way to do this.
If the charge is valid, you don't need to do that. I'm just pointing out that there is likely a better way to do this.
It has to be detrimental to the party. How is it detrimental? Unless you're assuming the person bought a higher coach fare that had a lower upcharge to first.
Jul 11, 2022, 9:25 am
#44
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: DL, UA, AA
Posts: 1,996
Once you get into the practice of manufacturing bills, who is to say you won't err in your own favor? At best, it's misrepresenting a material fact.
Jul 11, 2022, 1:43 pm
#45
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 27,221
Well yeah there’s no reason to cancel the ticket, you can just “change” the ticket and search for the “new itinerary” in first class, and you’ll just pay the fare difference as an additional collection. Seems easier and cleaner, but there is certainly NOTHING even remotely fraudulent being done despite some posters wild imagination about what COULD be done.
