JFK-SEA A330-900neo “First Class”
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JFK-SEA A330-900neo “First Class”
Any reason this is labeled as a FC seat in the app and not D1? Obviously it is D1 on the A339. Flights in June on DL308/327. Just curious. I also wonder if anyone has a FC companion ticket if they would be able to try to do a dummy booking for this flight to see if it works. Unfortunately I used mine thankfully on D1 redemptions this year.
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There is a difference between D1 marketed flights and simply having D1 equipment (there are a number of routes out of DTW/ATL in May that have D1 equipment, but are FC marketed because they are not D1 routes). While JFK-SEA has D1 marketed flights on the route, sometimes they will have D1 equipment that is not D1 marketed. I did a test booking and the companion cert was accepting for at least some of these FC marketed flights. There's a built-in fare surcharge in domestic FC fares of $100 - $150 each way for flights including D1 equipment (the neo's get the $150 surcharge).
Looking at the fare rules for the D1 fares on this route, the issue here appears they have not updated the fare rules yet to include A330-900neo flights. Since it falls outside the scope of the D1 fares, it's booked as a regular FC fare. Presumably, they will update the equipment list in the D1 fare rules to include it at some point.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A330-200
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE 330-300
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON AIRBUS A359
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 757 200 WINGLETS
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 767-400
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 767-300
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 777
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 777-200LR
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
Looking at the fare rules for the D1 fares on this route, the issue here appears they have not updated the fare rules yet to include A330-900neo flights. Since it falls outside the scope of the D1 fares, it's booked as a regular FC fare. Presumably, they will update the equipment list in the D1 fare rules to include it at some point.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A330-200
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE 330-300
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON AIRBUS A359
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 757 200 WINGLETS
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 767-400
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 767-300
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 777
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY DL FLIGHT.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN JFK
AIRPORT AND SAN/SEA
ON BOEING 777-200LR
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
Last edited by xliioper; Apr 21, 2021 at 7:43 pm
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Interesting. Thanks for this reply. It seems like D1 marketed aircraft from JFK are pretty religiously LAX, SAN, and SFO. I’m sure I’m missing a couple TCON routes but doubt those routes (maybe partially LAS when they don’t put you on a 737) would ever be FC aircraft on their B752 or 763/764 aircrafts. Good to know.
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JFK-SEA might suffer a bit because Amazon's policy is that everyone flies Y.
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Interesting. Thanks for this reply. It seems like D1 marketed aircraft from JFK are pretty religiously LAX, SAN, and SFO. I’m sure I’m missing a couple TCON routes but doubt those routes (maybe partially LAS when they don’t put you on a 737) would ever be FC aircraft on their B752 or 763/764 aircrafts. Good to know.
Last edited by xliioper; Apr 21, 2021 at 8:01 pm
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I suspect the largest D1 premium comes on JFK-LAX where it's written into a lot of actors union contracts that they fly J. If you have to get an actor from one coast to the other, you might not like the cost, but you have no choice but to pay it.
JFK-SEA might suffer a bit because Amazon's policy is that everyone flies Y.
JFK-SEA might suffer a bit because Amazon's policy is that everyone flies Y.
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Pre-COVID, the 75S (with flat beds) often appeared on JFK-SEA and JFK-SLC marketed as first class. Marketing domestic flights as first or D1 is almost academic right now given the lack of inflight service either way -- not sure if anything more has come back recently but when I flew JFK-SFO D1 in December, the only thing that made it D1 besides the seat was the upgraded blanket and pillow. No amenity kit, same food and drink as any other domestic F flight, and the D1 seats always come with the "upgraded" headphones regardless of marketing since the seat needs a dual prong input.
It looks like right now the 339 is doing mostly Asia routes out of SEA plus JFK-TLV, so the JFK-SEA leg connects the two to move the fleet around. Then in terms of Delta's decision to label it F or D1, they seem to like to charge pretty steep prices for domestic D1 vs domestic F (regardless of whether any D1 services are actually being offered), and with a likely leisure-heavy customer base this summer plus a much larger than usual number of premium seats to fill, they probably figure they won't be able to sell enough seats at D1 pricing and would end up having to give it away for free as upgrades.
It looks like right now the 339 is doing mostly Asia routes out of SEA plus JFK-TLV, so the JFK-SEA leg connects the two to move the fleet around. Then in terms of Delta's decision to label it F or D1, they seem to like to charge pretty steep prices for domestic D1 vs domestic F (regardless of whether any D1 services are actually being offered), and with a likely leisure-heavy customer base this summer plus a much larger than usual number of premium seats to fill, they probably figure they won't be able to sell enough seats at D1 pricing and would end up having to give it away for free as upgrades.
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There are a number of dates in May when you can find a D1 flight on JFK-SEA for a whopping $5 more than the 737 non-D1 flight ($499 vs. $494). And, yes, the D1 equipment is D1 marketed and carries a D1 fare.
Last edited by xliioper; Apr 22, 2021 at 12:24 pm
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* Delta One 757s.
* Lie flat 757s with no Delta one.
* 737s
There might have been other variants, but I've flown at least those 3 and several times.
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To reiterate what I posted above. The D1 fares on this route do not yet include A330-900neo equipment in the fare rules which is why the A330-900neo flights in June are FC marketed (because they have FC fares applied to them). FC fares will have an 'F' in the second to last letter of the fare basis code. While the $494 FC fares will be applied to the A330-900neo flights, because of the $150 surcharge in them for lie-flat equipment, they actually fare out to $655 ($150 surcharge + 7.5% US excise tax added to the $494 FC fare).
Last edited by xliioper; Apr 22, 2021 at 1:33 pm
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I have a friend who is in HR at amz that constantly flew back and forth from Seattle to India via ams and always sat in economy. She said it was pure hell for such a long travel day.