Speculation Thread: Will delta change status policies for 2022 status year (Closed )
#16
Join Date: Jun 2013
Programs: DL Diamond, UA Premier Gold
Posts: 2,936
Even if it does extend status, Delta need to focus on bringing new folks into the fold. The modern business/leisure frequent travelers who will be the core customer base in the future.
#17
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Maryland, USA
Programs: AA Platinum/2m miler, Marriott A and LTT, Delta Diamond, Hertz Presidents, Avis Presidents. +more
Posts: 127
I started the thread "DL to Extend Status to Feb-2022 due to COVID 19" in the form of a plausible question last March (title changed by mods to reflect the outcome). DL and the other carriers made the logical move and extended status through early 2022.
But here we are entering February, 2021 and sadly Covid is still raging with widespread vaccine rollout, by some estimates, not being done until at least Autumn in the US. Constant Covid-free air travel for most people is not considered feasible for many months. The US President has just ordered self-quarantine for those flying from abroad which further limits the plausibility for international air travel for many people. Government officials are exploring mandatory Covid testing before any flight.
For international travel, the Acting Assistant Secretary of State said, “[the] main message to U.S. citizens considering travel abroad remains the same: Seriously reconsider going overseas right now. If you’re overseas right now, it’s going to be harder to come home for a while.”
The cold reality being is we cannot travel as much by air as we did in 2019 or perhaps not at all this year. I don't have the stats, but retaining status in 2021 will be literally impossible for a huge amount of elites even with the MQM rollovers (reminder that MQD's returned to zero on January 1).
So here is a perfectly sensible question: Will Delta extend again current elite statues for another year?
But here we are entering February, 2021 and sadly Covid is still raging with widespread vaccine rollout, by some estimates, not being done until at least Autumn in the US. Constant Covid-free air travel for most people is not considered feasible for many months. The US President has just ordered self-quarantine for those flying from abroad which further limits the plausibility for international air travel for many people. Government officials are exploring mandatory Covid testing before any flight.
For international travel, the Acting Assistant Secretary of State said, “[the] main message to U.S. citizens considering travel abroad remains the same: Seriously reconsider going overseas right now. If you’re overseas right now, it’s going to be harder to come home for a while.”
The cold reality being is we cannot travel as much by air as we did in 2019 or perhaps not at all this year. I don't have the stats, but retaining status in 2021 will be literally impossible for a huge amount of elites even with the MQM rollovers (reminder that MQD's returned to zero on January 1).
So here is a perfectly sensible question: Will Delta extend again current elite statues for another year?
I do hope that Delta will modify requirements, specifically reducing the MQD and MQD waiver requirements for re-qualifying Diamond members.
#18
Suspended
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,262
This is not to suggest that it is all binary. Simply that the focus has to be on the long-term and not on surviving as it is today.
#19
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: DL DM, UA Gold, Alaska MVP, Bonvoy (lol) Ambassador
Posts: 2,994
What has changed is the increased regulation such as testing and quarantine, which I don't believe are both necessary. Testing should negate the need for quarantine and let's hope there is no requirement for testing on domestic flights as flying has shown itself to be very safe even during COVID..
International travel is going to continue to suffer hard. For developed countries, we may see travel pathways with vaccination-only requirements if both countries have very low endemic case loads. But the issue is going to be that the pandemic is going to continue to rage in emerging countries as vaccine distributions will be low there. There will be huge fear of vaccine-resistant strain propagation (e.g., South African variant). As countries get to virtually eliminated local spread at high rates of vaccination, they may even double down on inbound restrictions if there is evidence of increased vaccine resistant strains.
#20
Join Date: May 2011
Programs: Delta PM, Hyatt Plat-ist, Bonvoyyyyyyed, Hilton $15 Daily F&B Receiver, Food Lion MVP
Posts: 1,203
I've booked a lot of my travel - just under half? - for the coming year, since all of the early bookings are at rock-bottom prices with almost guaranteed scheduled changes. MQDs are going to be tough for me.
I'm expecting lowered, but not waived, requirements OR a big promo in Q3 and Q4, assuming the virus is under control by then. This big question I have is, if DL decides to go with a promo, whether they include flights booked and flown before the promo period or all flights flown during the promo period.
I'm expecting lowered, but not waived, requirements OR a big promo in Q3 and Q4, assuming the virus is under control by then. This big question I have is, if DL decides to go with a promo, whether they include flights booked and flown before the promo period or all flights flown during the promo period.
#21
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: DL DM, UA Gold, Alaska MVP, Bonvoy (lol) Ambassador
Posts: 2,994
Somethings gotta give on the MQD target. But again, Delta will provide steer once they have more data.
#22
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,409
However, DL would keep 100% of their DMs with foreign addresses due to their MQD waivers. If they're flying, they're more likely than ever to be flying on partners rather than DL since almost all DL operated flights have either origin or destination in the USA and it's very difficult for anyone who isn't a USA citizen or USA resident to enter or transit through the USA. The only subgroup that might be flying longhaul DL flights would be USA citizens who are overseas residents, and even this can be almost impossible for those who are resident in many countries.
#23
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Santo Domingo, Dom. Rep. / Washington, DC
Programs: AA PPro/DL PLT, PPass, Marriott / Hilton Gold, JetBlue Mosaic, Hertz Presidents Circle, Amex Plat
Posts: 4,630
However, DL would keep 100% of their DMs with foreign addresses due to their MQD waivers. If they're flying, they're more likely than ever to be flying on partners rather than DL since almost all DL operated flights have either origin or destination in the USA and it's very difficult for anyone who isn't a USA citizen or USA resident to enter or transit through the USA. The only subgroup that might be flying longhaul DL flights would be USA citizens who are overseas residents, and even this can be almost impossible for those who are resident in many countries.
#24
Join Date: Apr 2002
Programs: DL PM/1MM, United Silver, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 56
I organically qualified for PM in 2020 and rolled over just short of 100k MQMs, so am PM thru Jan 2022. I have yet to fly this year so have $0.00 MQDs and have not hit the AMEX spend threshold. I looked at account on delta.com and it is showing me as qualifying for SM thru Jan 2023 (year 2022) along with spend messaging on what is needed to move to GM. Not sure if this is a known bug or perhaps a preview of what delta might be thinking for status 'extension' for 2022. Not a full extension but perhaps a lower medallion level based upon MQMs only? Just speculation on my part based up what I see in my account only.
#25
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Back in Reds Country (DAY/CVG). Previously: SEA & SAT.
Programs: DL PM 1MM, AA PLAT, UA Silver, Marriott Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 10,348
I organically qualified for PM in 2020 and rolled over just short of 100k MQMs, so am PM thru Jan 2022. I have yet to fly this year so have $0.00 MQDs and have not hit the AMEX spend threshold. I looked at account on delta.com and it is showing me as qualifying for SM thru Jan 2023 (year 2022) along with spend messaging on what is needed to move to GM. Not sure if this is a known bug or perhaps a preview of what delta might be thinking for status 'extension' for 2022. Not a full extension but perhaps a lower medallion level based upon MQMs only? Just speculation on my part based up what I see in my account only.
ETA: CGNC below noted your 1 MM status - that is probably why it already shows you as having Silver.
Last edited by ATOBTTR; Feb 1, 2021 at 12:01 pm
#26
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: IND
Programs: DL DM, UA & AA Peeon, Hilton/Starwood Gold
Posts: 875
I organically qualified for PM in 2020 and rolled over just short of 100k MQMs, so am PM thru Jan 2022. I have yet to fly this year so have $0.00 MQDs and have not hit the AMEX spend threshold. I looked at account on delta.com and it is showing me as qualifying for SM thru Jan 2023 (year 2022) along with spend messaging on what is needed to move to GM. Not sure if this is a known bug or perhaps a preview of what delta might be thinking for status 'extension' for 2022. Not a full extension but perhaps a lower medallion level based upon MQMs only? Just speculation on my part based up what I see in my account only.
#27
Join Date: Apr 2002
Programs: DL PM/1MM, United Silver, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 56
Ugghh, sorry totally forgot the 1MM!
#28
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,409
On the DL app, I now see GM status for 2022 (due to 2MM) and the bars show what's required for PM. This changed within the last 24 hours. In January, it just indicated that I would be a general member for 2022, with bars displaying requirements for FO status. I'll hit the MQD waiver soon and based on past experience, it will change me to PM for 2022 within about a day.
#29
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toledo, OH
Programs: Delta DM & MM, Hilton DM, Marriott gold, Hyatt Globalist, Alaska 75K, Wyndham Diamond,
Posts: 15,399
At least I'm closer to my next million mile cornerstone
#30
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toledo, OH
Programs: Delta DM & MM, Hilton DM, Marriott gold, Hyatt Globalist, Alaska 75K, Wyndham Diamond,
Posts: 15,399
Or at least award those people who still reach the status anyway. I would be diamond for this year even without the waiver. Would be nice if they would have given me something like a couple more GU's or another benefit. Or allowed people who had their status to keep it another year for upgrade and seat preference purposes but only given the choice benefits to people who maintened the status through MQM's and spend.