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De Icing question
Delta 8894 in MSY heard pilot request de icing temperature is 50 degrees just curious.
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MSY needs up their game and switch to solar deicing like we use at MCO. 😁
But to help answer the question the wings are susceptible to ice at higher temperatures due to the fuel tanks. |
When you say 'solar' de-icing, do you mean waiting for the sun to come up and melt the frost?
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Originally Posted by Singleflyer
(Post 32931088)
When you say 'solar' de-icing, do you mean waiting for the sun to come up and melt the frost?
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Originally Posted by Singleflyer
(Post 32931088)
When you say 'solar' de-icing, do you mean waiting for the sun to come up and melt the frost?
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In YVR I've seen lots of deicing around 50F. The record I've seen is 52F.
At those high temperature, it was almost always a CX B777-300 or an ACB777-200LR. |
When an airplane flies a long flight the fuel in the tanks becomes very cold. When it lands, that cold fuel keeps the wing's metal skin very cold for quite some time. If the air on the ground is (relatively) warm and humid, condensation will form on the wing just as it forms on a cold glass of ice tea on a humid day. If the fuel was cold enough, and the wing's skin is below freezing, that condensation will be in the form of frost and will have to be removed before the next flight. The DC9 series (MD80/MD90/MD95/B717) tended to be particularly susceptible to this form of icing.
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According to flightradar24, DL 8894 was an A333 departing MSY at about 3:10 AM. Probably taking Clemson home after the Sugar Bowl.
Solar de-icing tends to be broken at 3:10 AM at MSY. |
Originally Posted by SuperG1955
(Post 32931594)
According to flightradar24, DL 8894 was an A333 departing MSY at about 3:10 AM. Probably taking Clemson home after the Sugar Bowl.
Solar de-icing tends to be broken at 3:10 AM at MSY. |
Originally Posted by LarryJ
(Post 32931536)
When an airplane flies a long flight the fuel in the tanks becomes very cold. When it lands, that cold fuel keeps the wing's metal skin very cold for quite some time. If the air on the ground is (relatively) warm and humid, condensation will form on the wing just as it forms on a cold glass of ice tea on a humid day. If the fuel was cold enough, and the wing's skin is below freezing, that condensation will be in the form of frost and will have to be removed before the next flight. The DC9 series (MD80/MD90/MD95/B717) tended to be particularly susceptible to this form of icing.
That situation, rare as it was, could be aggravated when the operator tankered fuel (more than he needed for a single flight ) to shortened his turnaround time at a en-route airport. However for most aircraft the biggest concern is temperature closer to freezing with visible precip causing ice on the front of a wing or in an inlet of an engine during taxi out. |
Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
(Post 32930756)
MSY needs up their game and switch to solar deicing like we use at MCO. 😁
But to help answer the question the wings are susceptible to ice at higher temperatures due to the fuel tanks. |
Originally Posted by cmd320
(Post 32931290)
Yes, that's exactly the kind of de-icing system used across Florida.
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Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
(Post 32930756)
MSY needs up their game and switch to solar deicing like we use at MCO. 😁
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Perhaps a stupid question: I understand planes need to be deiced prior to takeoff under various circumstances. But aren't the same conditions around when planes are landing? I know planes can't be deiced inbound but aren't the same freezing conditions effecting the aircraft yet they land without the deicing fluid on them.
Another question I've wondered about: Every time I see a plane get deiced prior to takeoff including the planes I've been on, it seems the plane sits at the deicing station about 10 minutes after the deicing fluid is applied before it heads to the runway for takeoff. Seems like it would make more sense to take off right away rather than wait but is there some kind of "curing time" involved? Thanks! |
Originally Posted by SUPERTRAVEL
(Post 32934990)
Perhaps a stupid question: I understand planes need to be deiced prior to takeoff under various circumstances. But aren't the same conditions around when planes are landing? I know planes can't be deiced inbound but aren't the same freezing conditions effecting the aircraft yet they land without the deicing fluid on them.
Another question I've wondered about: Every time I see a plane get deiced prior to takeoff including the planes I've been on, it seems the plane sits at the deicing station about 10 minutes after the deicing fluid is applied before it heads to the runway for takeoff. Seems like it would make more sense to take off right away rather than wait but is there some kind of "curing time" involved? Thanks! As for your second questions, I'm not totally sure. I think in general that will just be a result of the restart process and getting into a departure queue. |
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