DL462 Slide Incident

Old Dec 21, 20, 10:59 am
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DL462 Slide Incident

Sounds like a pax blew a slide on taxi, possibly with a dog in tow. A321 was operating LGA-ATL.

FlightAware showing still taxiing after nearly 3 hours. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N357DN

Taxi track: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...357dn#265f4fb3

DL462 is now delayed more than 8 hours.

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Old Dec 21, 20, 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by DLASflyer View Post
Sounds like a pax blew a slide on taxi, possibly with a dog in tow. A321 was operating LGA-ATL.

FlightAware showing still taxiing after nearly 3 hours. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N357DN

Taxi track: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...357dn#265f4fb3

DL462 is now delayed more than 8 hours.
That's a long taxi. Isn't the plane required to return to the gate after three hours or pay a bug fine to DOT?

BTW, why was the passenger with dog messing with the slide on an active runway?

ADDED: Delayed to 7 pm sounds bad, but I know that these slides are expensive and time-consuming to re-do after they've been deployed.
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Old Dec 21, 20, 2:01 pm
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How does this happen during taxi on an A321? All exits are door exits manned by FAs. During taxi no pax should have been up and moving around either.
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Old Dec 21, 20, 2:40 pm
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How does this happen during taxi on an A321? All exits are door exits manned by FAs. During taxi no pax should have been up and moving around either.
I sat in 13A the other day and that exit could easily be opened before the FA three seats away could do anything. They are designed to be opened fast and easily.

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That's a long taxi. Isn't the plane required to return to the gate after three hours or pay a bug fine to DOT?.
Doubt the tarmac delay rule applies when the plane is stopped for safety reasons after an emergency exit was opened.
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paging Steven Slater!
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Originally Posted by DLASflyer View Post
I sat in 13A the other day and that exit could easily be opened before the FA three seats away could do anything. They are designed to be opened fast and easily.
I've sat at the 2L on an A321 a number of times (it's one of the only economy seats I'll sit in on the aircraft) and while I could pretty easily raise the handle from the seat, I think I'd have a very hard time physically opening the door while seated.

It would be interesting to see what actually happened.

On a side note, it also seems like the doors on Delta's A321s are designed differently than the ones on AA's A321s. On AA there's an arming lever to activate/deactivate the slide. Delta's seem to have some kind of pin and string.

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Yeah, I want to know the whole story. I hope no one thought the aircraft exit was a doggy door.
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Old Dec 21, 20, 7:12 pm
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"Two passengers and a service dog slid off an airplane's inflatable slide as it was preparing to depart from LaGuardia Airport to Atlanta Monday morning after one of the passengers opened the plane's emergency doors. A Port Authority spokesperson said the two passengers were taken into police custody but had not been charged by Monday evening.

A Delta spokesperson said there was no security threat or on-board emergency that would have prompted opening the emergency doors."

https://www.pix11.com/news/local-new...th-service-dog
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Old Dec 21, 20, 7:22 pm
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Were they at least wearing their masks? DL will ban them if they werenít compliant.
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Old Dec 21, 20, 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by cmd320 View Post

On a side note, it also seems like the doors on Delta's A321s are designed differently than the ones on AA's A321s. On AA there's an arming lever to activate/deactivate the slide. Delta's seem to have some kind of pin and string.
At least the ex-US Airways ones are, I believe, "permanently" armed at doors 2/3 (hence the big lever in the down position with "ARMED" printed across it). While there is usually no access to door 2/3 anyway for boarding/service trucks, it may be an option (I've seen Lufthansa get a jet bridge up to door 2 - I believe the jetway has to be specially equipped so as not to come too close to the engine). The pin and ribbon with "remove before flight" is the standard Airbus setup for the arming lever, and would be found on doors 1 and 4.
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But seriously, I had no idea a pax w/service animal could be in/near an exit row...
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Old Dec 21, 20, 7:39 pm
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Originally Posted by SeaHawg View Post
But seriously, I had no idea a pax w/service animal could be in/near an exit row...
They certainly shouldn't be in an exit row, either the animal or someone who needs a service animal, although I've heard of FAs flying non rev with their emotional support animals. (that worries me in terms of how they would handle an emergency.)

Perhaps the dog had an accident and masks just weren't enough to avoid the smell, so people had to escape and the dog followed.
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Old Dec 21, 20, 7:49 pm
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Originally Posted by SFTNYC View Post
At least the ex-US Airways ones are, I believe, "permanently" armed at doors 2/3 (hence the big lever in the down position with "ARMED" printed across it). While there is usually no access to door 2/3 anyway for boarding/service trucks, it may be an option (I've seen Lufthansa get a jet bridge up to door 2 - I believe the jetway has to be specially equipped so as not to come too close to the engine). The pin and ribbon with "remove before flight" is the standard Airbus setup for the arming lever, and would be found on doors 1 and 4.
Lever with ARMED is definitely there, but they disarm those doors (at least 2L/R) on arrival. I know because they always do it right in front of me.
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Old Dec 21, 20, 9:04 pm
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But seriously, I had no idea a pax w/service animal could be in/near an exit row...
More details here. They seemed to be moving seats prior to takeoff. Odd that didnít get them booted or at least flagged sooner.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/n...e=articleShare
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Old Dec 21, 20, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
I've heard of FAs flying non rev with their emotional support animals. (that worries me in terms of how they would handle an emergency.)
If they're not working the flight then their role in an emergency is no different than any other pax.
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