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TomMM Aug 6, 20 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by ATOBTTR (Post 32586341)
In fairness, since there's not much else to do with cake besides eat it, what else do you suggest besides using a cake for eating? ;)


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smartytravel Aug 6, 20 1:48 pm


Originally Posted by TomMM (Post 32586417)

That's exactly what they do to passengers. Instead, that's what passengers should be doing to them.

BRITINJAPAN4 Aug 6, 20 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by LAX_Esq (Post 32586367)
On this note, I've always thought "have your cake and eat it too" is a really dumb proverb, and I despise it. Obviously "have" is a synonym for eating, and having cake and eating cake is referring to the same. The proverb is trying to teach the lesson that you might only be able to have one of two different options. But having cake and eating cake are the same option.

If having cake somehow means keeping the cake and not eating it, cake is just a bad example to teach the proverb's lesson . What else is there to do with cake besides eat it? You can't invest it or save it.

So this dumb proverb essentially uses an example of cake that doesn't fit with the lesson it is trying to teach. Anyone else feel this way?


The meaning is you cannot have your cake sitting on the plate looking nice and and the same time eat it. either its on your plate of stomach, it cant be both. Not so dumb. Some people like to look at a nicely decorate cake . But i think you are looking at this too deeply.

How about, You cant have your money and spend it ?

LAX_Esq Aug 6, 20 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by BRITINJAPAN4 (Post 32587284)
The meaning is you cannot have your cake sitting on the plate looking nice and and the same time eat it. either its on your plate of stomach, it cant be both. Not so dumb. Some people like to look at a nicely decorate cake . But i think you are looking at this too deeply.

Hah, I'm probably thinking about it too deeply. I see how the proverb works better if "have" means "look at" or "show off" or "display," but that means the proverb is horribly worded. And this confirms my suspicion that the vast majority of people using or hearing the proverb just get the lesson it's teaching but have no idea what the words actually mean.

And if have means look at / show off / display, I still think the proverb's cake example is a poor example of the principle the proverb is trying to demonstrate. You can't enjoy the cake's appearance and eat it at the same time, but you can certainly do both -- sequentially. In other words, enjoying the cake's appearance and eating the cake aren't mutually exclusive. The proverb is teaching that there are situations A and B are mutually exclusive, so you must pick one.


How about, You cant have your money and spend it ?
I don't like this for similar reasons to why I don't like the actual proverb -- "have" is too ambiguous. How about, "you can't keep/save/invest your money and spend it too"?

mattp1987 Aug 7, 20 9:32 am


Originally Posted by LAX_Esq (Post 32586367)
On this note, I've always thought "have your cake and eat it too" is a really dumb proverb, and I despise it. Obviously "have" is a synonym for eating, and having cake and eating cake is referring to the same. The proverb is trying to teach the lesson that you might only be able to have one of two different options. But having cake and eating cake are the same option.

If having cake somehow means keeping the cake and not eating it, cake is just a bad example to teach the proverb's lesson . What else is there to do with cake besides eat it? You can't invest it or save it.

So this dumb proverb essentially uses an example of cake that doesn't fit with the lesson it is trying to teach. Anyone else feel this way?

If you want to think way too much about this proverb, you might enjoy this New York Times Magazine article.


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