Should I be Infuriated Right Now? Opinions please.
#16
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I think I've been in lockdown too long.

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#19
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It's very hard to turn a profit on a 60% load factor, and with the current no show policy, it's very hard to predict the number of no shows for upcoming flights. The airline is basically clinging to it's brand and biding time until a return to normal. Even in good times, the actual flying part of the airline just breaks even. You're basically falling victim to the airline adapting to this new operating environment in a way that minimizes cost. If they add another leg and it collects the spills at 30% load, it loses money. If they don't overbook, the flight goes out at 50% and loses money. What I'm saying is right now, in the current environment, all airlines are operating as money losers with no way to both accommodate all demand, maintain their brands, and make money.
Yes it sucks that people didn't make it, but if the 10 of you were put on a new flight that costs $30k to operate, the airline loses a lot more than $400/pax. Until there's some way that the airline could have reasonably known in advance what the actual demand would be, it's not worth being infuriated over.
Yes it sucks that people didn't make it, but if the 10 of you were put on a new flight that costs $30k to operate, the airline loses a lot more than $400/pax. Until there's some way that the airline could have reasonably known in advance what the actual demand would be, it's not worth being infuriated over.
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How times have changed. Used to on the Delta Shuttle you were guaranteed a seat. If the flight was oversold they would roll out a spare 727 just for you.
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I graciously took their offer and fate smiled upon us as we managed to taxi past the 5pm and get higher priority for departure thanks to some Senator from New York that decided to get on the extra section instead of their 6pm flight.
Those were the days with the Shuttle product.
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Even before that, I think a voluntary $400 gamble, still getting you to SLC that night worked out pretty well in these extremely volatile times. Now that you got $800, I'd say you are way ahead of the game.
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I am happy that OP got $800 instead of $400.
But in answering OP's original question, OP should not feel infuriated. In fact, to make this even further, OP is not entitled to be infuriated and even complain.
OP was VDBed, not IDBed. We all know the V stands for Voluntary, which means that OP's participation is not required.
The VDB game is always dynamic. Sometimes you score a great deal. Sometimes you are screwed. If OP was so concerned about making to the destination, OP should not volunteer at all.
The VDB compesation is a compromise and release. That's why once accepted, OP should not even rant about any mishaps occurred, as that can be avoided.
But in answering OP's original question, OP should not feel infuriated. In fact, to make this even further, OP is not entitled to be infuriated and even complain.
OP was VDBed, not IDBed. We all know the V stands for Voluntary, which means that OP's participation is not required.
The VDB game is always dynamic. Sometimes you score a great deal. Sometimes you are screwed. If OP was so concerned about making to the destination, OP should not volunteer at all.
The VDB compesation is a compromise and release. That's why once accepted, OP should not even rant about any mishaps occurred, as that can be avoided.
#27
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I would probably be frustrated too, but glad to hear you ended up with $800. But agreed - much more trouble and inconvenience than it should have been. The last time I accepted a VDB I ended up with a minimum rest overnight in SEA and a crappy middle seat the rest of the way. At the time it was great as we scored $800 each and redeemed them on $795 tickets to DXB... that was several years ago now.
#28
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Infuriated? Probably not. Miffed? Sure.
I do think you should be given a better compensation though. Maybe instead of $400, $600? It could've just been an honest mistake. But you were "sold" a bill of goods, which you then didn't receive, so the compensation should change imo. You got a transcon in Y+ which is a downgrade right there and should result in some compensation and arrived like 4 hours later than originally planned on the VDB.
Frankly I'm amazed the flights are oversold. I know they're hub to hub and the seats are limited, but most places are still telling citizens that travel should be avoided unless necessary.
I do think you should be given a better compensation though. Maybe instead of $400, $600? It could've just been an honest mistake. But you were "sold" a bill of goods, which you then didn't receive, so the compensation should change imo. You got a transcon in Y+ which is a downgrade right there and should result in some compensation and arrived like 4 hours later than originally planned on the VDB.
Frankly I'm amazed the flights are oversold. I know they're hub to hub and the seats are limited, but most places are still telling citizens that travel should be avoided unless necessary.