Buffett Sells Delta Stock
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I'm still holding onto mine, even though I'm down $9 a share in the last 10 days. I assume it's going to drop further when they release what is sure to be a grim earnings report next week. I suspect it will probably hit $15-16 a share, at which time I'll hopefully not panic and will instead double my holdings at a significant discount.
Still hard to believe that we were at $50 a share a little more than a month ago. It's a good thing I'm not able to fly right now, so hopefully my savings will offset my losses from a brutal March.
Still hard to believe that we were at $50 a share a little more than a month ago. It's a good thing I'm not able to fly right now, so hopefully my savings will offset my losses from a brutal March.
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I'm sure Buffett is doing what a lot of other savvy investors (myself included) are doing. S&P 500 and Dow Jones are currently on a fire sale. Rock bottom prices. Buy now and wait 2-5 years until we see the highs again. Likely other companies stock price will recover faster than Delta/airlines. Long Term though Delta will be fine and is a solid investment.
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Just remember DL is burning $100M a day and their goal is to get that down to $50M a day (and UAL said much the same and has a goal of $30M by end of year). Travel recovery of 1-2 years is an awfully big risk when you own the amount of stock he owned in the airlines. There is so much unknown and remember airline margins are thin in the best of times, imagine what happens to those margins if social distancing reduces capacity or you have to increase expense to cover things like masks, gloves, cleaning, etc.
Sure he sold at a loss but at least he was able to get something in return -- if any airline goes to bankruptcy (which is a strong possibility), that numbers goes all the way down to $0 which is a big. And I assume he looked at those factors and decided that the $45 range was no longer an attainable valuation given the unknown (in contrast to say the energy sector when you can fairly easily envision the need for oil and gas even if people are social distancing).
Makes sense now why he sold to get below the threshold initially -- that allowed him to dump the rest without having to announce it until he got out of everything
Sure he sold at a loss but at least he was able to get something in return -- if any airline goes to bankruptcy (which is a strong possibility), that numbers goes all the way down to $0 which is a big. And I assume he looked at those factors and decided that the $45 range was no longer an attainable valuation given the unknown (in contrast to say the energy sector when you can fairly easily envision the need for oil and gas even if people are social distancing).
Makes sense now why he sold to get below the threshold initially -- that allowed him to dump the rest without having to announce it until he got out of everything
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Stock still goes to zero though and investors are wiped out for the most part even though the jobs and assets are largely protected.
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It's not just a question of "do I think the stock will come back" but also "do I have someplace that I think I will get a better rate of return" (and taking into account frictional costs and diversification etc.)
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Delta and all the airlines are going bankrupt this year. They will still be around but shareholders will get wiped out. Investments in Delta stock will be worth nothing after bankruptcy which is why WB sold now to try and salvage at least some of the money he wasted by not listening to his own advice about buying airline stocks.
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Delta and all the airlines are going bankrupt this year. They will still be around but shareholders will get wiped out. Investments in Delta stock will be worth nothing after bankruptcy which is why WB sold now to try and salvage at least some of the money he wasted by not listening to his own advice about buying airline stocks.
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I don’t think it’s possible they survive without a bankruptcy filing. It may be early next year rather than this year but it’s hard to operate a business in its current form when there is no demand for the product. They can use bankruptcy to restructure and come out a much smaller company but still utilizing the Delta name.
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I don’t think it’s possible they survive without a bankruptcy filing. It may be early next year rather than this year but it’s hard to operate a business in its current form when there is no demand for the product. They can use bankruptcy to restructure and come out a much smaller company but still utilizing the Delta name.
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Here's the part that I don't understand. How will restructuring help it operate in this environment when there's virtually no demand? The only way demand will start to recover is when governments start relaxing travel restrictions, viral testing increases, COVID-19 treatment comes online, or if a vaccine is developed. Right now, it seems like everything is there for the airlines to ride out this storm.
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For what it's worth, AA shareholders were not wiped out last time.
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It will be MUCH longer than one to two years. Warren Buffett doesn't invest on age. He isn't worried about putting food on the table in retirement.