emag_eh7

There used to be a once daily LAS-JFK flight on a 757 with lie flat seats, but that was launched back in 2018 and I haven't been able to find anything where saying that those lie flats were discontinued. In fact, I found a post on FT less than a year ago saying that you could still get lie flats on that route. However, when I look now, there is still a once daily 757 LAS-JFK, but everywhere I look shows it to just have recliner seats. DL's seatmap, Seatguru, etc. all show recliner seats rather than DL1. I picked a few random dates in early March to check, and also dates closer to when I'm looking to fly, April 26, and it appears to be all recliner seats.

Has D1 on this route been discontinued? Or is it still likely to be a lie flat seat if I book F on the 757 on this route?

MCO Flyer

I just did a dummy OW booking on April 26th and DL2371 leaving LAS at 12pm is showing D1 available for purchase.

emag_eh7

Whoops, that's embarrassing - I was actually looking for LAS-JFK-XXX and DL2371 doesn't show up for that routing, or at least not within the first 10 or so results that I looked at. The flight I was interested in booking (DL850) is a 757, but it is not D1.

That was pretty dumb of me, thanks.

gitismatt

it's the 8am flight to LAS and the noon (ish) flight back to JFK

ijgordon

I think DL sometimes won�t sell a domestic front cabin ticket on a connecting itinerary if one leg is in �DeltaOne�. I�m having this problem trying to book to Hawaii, a lot of options via LAX (with JFK-LAX in D1) won�t sell me first class.

AANYC1981

I just saw this DL1 757 at LAS this week

flyerCO

You have to purchase a D1 fare in those cases, as there is no F class on the D1 flight. Ie LAX-JFK-RDU wont show as F class, but will as D1.

What I've found odd is where theres main cabin fares on flights with D1 cabins, but no fare to allow you to sit in D1. Ie TPA-JFK-LAX you can buy main and C+. You can't buy any fare for the premium cabin (F or D1). This is recent IME. I think they're forgetting to build fares to account for this.

xliioper

Well, there are no F flights between JFK-LAX, so you shouldn't expect to find a valid F fare for TPA-JFK-LAX. You are right there are no D1 fare filings for Florida markets to LAX, nor are there for CHS and SAV which also have JFK flights. Thus you can't route through JFK to LAX from these cities in the front of the plane even though JFK is a valid routing. I'm not convinced they are actually forgetting. More likely there is not enough of a market to fly that far out of the way just for D1 and are willing to pay a premium for the D1 seat over F.

iadisgreat

They are most likely trying to protect the D1 flights for OD and international passengers. It's not that there isn't a market from cities to LAX connecting in JFK, it's that the OD/international market is far more lucrative. Yield protection FTW.

ijgordon

Well whether �D1� or �first�, they use the same JCDIZ booking codes so I�m not sure I totally follow you. I see a lot of routings where there is a coach fare (on Delta.com) but under the premium columns, it shows �sold out� or �not offered� or similar. But some flights may offer the F/D1 combo even on the same routing. I think they�re intentionally blocking availability for higher fare routings through married segments or something. One example, NYC->OGG 5/8. Y/C+ routings via SEA and LAX, but no 1-stops in a premium cabin.

flyerCO

Makes no sense on JFK-OGG. There's plenty of D1 routings (via ATL/MSP/DTW/JFK-HNL). Thus makes no sense to block JFK-LAX/SEA(daily D1 flight) D1 routings. It's this type of thing that makes me think theres a system/RM issue.

xliioper

Even though they share the same booking classes, D1 fares have different fare filings than FC fares and will have a D in the second to last letter of the fare basis code vs. an F for FC fares. While D1 fares will say FC on the non-D1 segments, the fare applying to the journey (which includes both the FC and D1 flights) will be a D1 fare. If you read the fare rules on the FC fares, they explicitly prohibit be applied to flights involving D1 routes on D1 metal. If there are no D1 fare filings on a route (such as on Florida markets to LAX), you can't book a fare with a routing which includes D1 flights (even though JFK is a valid routing option for the FC fares from Florida to LAX).

ijgordon

Those must be seasonal because the only OGG flights when I'm looking to go in July are via LAX and SEA. And pricing SEA is tricky for some reason (even in regular FC, which I don't want to do for 12 hours!). To HNL, no JFK, nothing from DTW. The only D1 is via MSP as I can't get anything to price via ATL either. It's frustrating, and I may be "forced" to book with AA or UA. Perhaps there is some system/RM issue.

sspontak

I flew the reverse JFK-LAS in Delta One with the lie flats in January. Delta has just one D-1 flight daily in each direction on JFK-LAS. The 757 is great for this flight. Nice lie flat seats and the satellite tv and Delta Studio selections are great for the entertainment. For the westbound flight, it is a morning Delta One flight with breakfast and it was very good. Overall it was a great flight except no Tumi amenity kit and end of flight chocolates were not given out. The service in Delta One was ok but the flight attendants were not attentive and treated it more like a regular domestic FC flight with minimal service except for the basic Delta One offerings. One thing Delta definitely lacks is consistency of service. The Flight Attendants seem to have too much leeway in how they service the cabin which leads to the lack of service.

Bear96

But . . . Isn't that what it is (the bolded)?

You just get a nicer seat.