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Feb 4, 2020, 4:37 pm
#241
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What are people doing about Taiwan travel? Delta just says China (and China of course says Taiwan is part of China... and Taiwan is really playing up its independence right now).
I’m on PDX-NRT-TPE mid Feb.
It appears it is the least affected of all Asian countries. I’m fine with going, but, fiancé is out. She’s just not having it.
I assume I’ll go solo, I think the whole thing is rather overblown and it doesn’t bother me personally.
That said, no Fiancé makes the trip a lot less fun. The DL waive appears to cover mainland China only.
Anyone in the same boat?
Feb 4, 2020, 5:01 pm
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I agree with you, but THIS flight from MU are what ? 2%, 3%, ... of the previous "capacity" (even less).
I will not be surprise when factory and business "restart" in China. the capacity requirement to go up to 15% to 20% in one week.
It is why I will not be surprise to see Delta to restart one flight each week from some hub.
I will not be surprise when factory and business "restart" in China. the capacity requirement to go up to 15% to 20% in one week.
It is why I will not be surprise to see Delta to restart one flight each week from some hub.
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Feb 5, 2020, 12:22 am
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I'm not an expert on MU's schedules but I thought they had a total of 3 daily frequencies on 77Ws between PVG and JFK/LAX. This alone is around 8% of the total pre virus US-China market. In addition to MU, I imagine CA will also restart its more important flights before AA, DL, and UA. I'm not as optimistic about CZ because PKX hasn't gained traction yet (i.e. they haven't even launched a US flight yet), CAN isn't especially useful, and WUH needs no comment). HU will probably sit on the sidelines for a while as well because most of its US flights are fringe routes.
If ONE airline restart flying to China, all other airlines will follow, even it is not at 100% capacity (like before the virus begin), but flights will restart from main hub.
Because the strong action of Chinese authority, I believe the # of case will continue to increase for 7 to 10 days and begin to stabilize and go down after.
Feb 5, 2020, 12:53 am
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I have difficulty to believe US airline will leave all flights between US and China in the "hand" of Chinese airlines (even this airline is a partner).
If ONE airline restart flying to China, all other airlines will follow, even it is not at 100% capacity (like before the virus begin), but flights will restart from main hub.
Because the strong action of Chinese authority, I believe the # of case will continue to increase for 7 to 10 days and begin to stabilize and go down after.
If ONE airline restart flying to China, all other airlines will follow, even it is not at 100% capacity (like before the virus begin), but flights will restart from main hub.
Because the strong action of Chinese authority, I believe the # of case will continue to increase for 7 to 10 days and begin to stabilize and go down after.
1. In order to continue operating its airline business, all MU flights must begin or end in Mainland China, no matter how bad the economic environment is; DL can operate flights that don't touch China, which will surely generate a much better ROI during the medium term
2. MU is under pressure from the Central Government to serve key markets like the US, regardless of whether or not there is a compelling business case for MU
I don't see any signs of stability on the horizon. Maybe things will start to get better in May or June.
Feb 5, 2020, 1:51 am
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I'll just compare MU to DL as an example, but the same logic applies to all comparisons between Chinese and US airlines
1. In order to continue operating its airline business, all MU flights must begin or end in Mainland China, no matter how bad the economic environment is; DL can operate flights that don't touch China, which will surely generate a much better ROI during the medium term
2. MU is under pressure from the Central Government to serve key markets like the US, regardless of whether or not there is a compelling business case for MU
I don't see any signs of stability on the horizon. Maybe things will start to get better in May or June.
1. In order to continue operating its airline business, all MU flights must begin or end in Mainland China, no matter how bad the economic environment is; DL can operate flights that don't touch China, which will surely generate a much better ROI during the medium term
2. MU is under pressure from the Central Government to serve key markets like the US, regardless of whether or not there is a compelling business case for MU
I don't see any signs of stability on the horizon. Maybe things will start to get better in May or June.
I base the future "stability" because the Chinese authority have done strong action. Something you must see yourself (you are in China).
I just go to Zunyi (a "small" city of 1 millions). Market are empty (I even feel it is like a zombie movie). Streets are very calm.
All the restriction China have made to his populations will reduce the spreed of the virus much more quickly than other country, something you can not do in Canada/USA/Europe.This is why I believe the situation will be control by China. If not, we must be ready for a major pandemic.
Also Hong Kong is more active, but less than normal.
Feb 5, 2020, 2:18 am
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I am just back from China/HK.
I base the future "stability" because the Chinese authority have done strong action. Something you must see yourself (you are in China).
I just go to Zunyi (a "small" city of 1 millions). Market are empty (I even feel it is like a zombie movie). Streets are very calm.
All the restriction China have made to his populations will reduce the spreed of the virus much more quickly than other country, something you can not do in Canada/USA/Europe.This is why I believe the situation will be control by China. If not, we must be ready for a major pandemic.
Also Hong Kong is more active, but less than normal.
I base the future "stability" because the Chinese authority have done strong action. Something you must see yourself (you are in China).
I just go to Zunyi (a "small" city of 1 millions). Market are empty (I even feel it is like a zombie movie). Streets are very calm.
All the restriction China have made to his populations will reduce the spreed of the virus much more quickly than other country, something you can not do in Canada/USA/Europe.This is why I believe the situation will be control by China. If not, we must be ready for a major pandemic.
Also Hong Kong is more active, but less than normal.
While some of these containment measures are intense (e.g. now we need to wear masks to enter subway stations), I'm not convinced that they will stop the outbreak. I'm sticking with my May 15 projection for Delta's return, and March 1 for MU, but just JFK and LAX (maybe 5 roundtrips/week each).
Feb 5, 2020, 1:30 pm
#248
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The part of your comment that I bolded definitely reflects my observations here in Shanghai. It's really annoying for many Chinese people to leave their compounds because each housing unit shares 1 or 2 出入证. For all I know, my compound has the same system, but the guards haven't given me any lectures yet. But, next week, things might be a little more normal.
While some of these containment measures are intense (e.g. now we need to wear masks to enter subway stations), I'm not convinced that they will stop the outbreak. I'm sticking with my May 15 projection for Delta's return, and March 1 for MU, but just JFK and LAX (maybe 5 roundtrips/week each).
While some of these containment measures are intense (e.g. now we need to wear masks to enter subway stations), I'm not convinced that they will stop the outbreak. I'm sticking with my May 15 projection for Delta's return, and March 1 for MU, but just JFK and LAX (maybe 5 roundtrips/week each).
I have difficulty to believe this (not stop the outbreak) with all the measure they take.
It is normal to see an increase of sick peoples for the next week (to 10 day's), because many generation live together in China. But to "lock" most of the population inside and limit the contact between them will "break" this outbreak.
Anyway we will have soon an answer about this. If the raise continue at the same speed. This pandemic will be a major one in less than a month.
Feb 5, 2020, 3:42 pm
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What are people doing about Taiwan travel? Delta just says China (and China of course says Taiwan is part of China... and Taiwan is really playing up its independence right now).
I’m on PDX-NRT-TPE mid Feb.
It appears it is the least affected of all Asian countries. I’m fine with going, but, fiancé is out. She’s just not having it.
I assume I’ll go solo, I think the whole thing is rather overblown and it doesn’t bother me personally.
That said, no Fiancé makes the trip a lot less fun. The DL waive appears to cover mainland China only.
Anyone in the same boat?
I’m on PDX-NRT-TPE mid Feb.
It appears it is the least affected of all Asian countries. I’m fine with going, but, fiancé is out. She’s just not having it.
I assume I’ll go solo, I think the whole thing is rather overblown and it doesn’t bother me personally.
That said, no Fiancé makes the trip a lot less fun. The DL waive appears to cover mainland China only.
Anyone in the same boat?
Feb 5, 2020, 7:38 pm
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What are people doing about Taiwan travel? Delta just says China (and China of course says Taiwan is part of China... and Taiwan is really playing up its independence right now).
I’m on PDX-NRT-TPE mid Feb.
It appears it is the least affected of all Asian countries. I’m fine with going, but, fiancé is out. She’s just not having it.
I assume I’ll go solo, I think the whole thing is rather overblown and it doesn’t bother me personally.
That said, no Fiancé makes the trip a lot less fun. The DL waive appears to cover mainland China only.
Anyone in the same boat?
I’m on PDX-NRT-TPE mid Feb.
It appears it is the least affected of all Asian countries. I’m fine with going, but, fiancé is out. She’s just not having it.
I assume I’ll go solo, I think the whole thing is rather overblown and it doesn’t bother me personally.
That said, no Fiancé makes the trip a lot less fun. The DL waive appears to cover mainland China only.
Anyone in the same boat?
Feb 5, 2020, 7:53 pm
#251
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I think it would be reasonable to wait until May or June and see how this develops and make a decision at that time.
Feb 5, 2020, 8:46 pm
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If the Coronavirus is not under control in June, I think it will not change anything you go to Thailand or stay where you are, because the virus will be worldwide...
Feb 5, 2020, 9:47 pm
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Feb 5, 2020, 10:33 pm
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