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Old May 15, 2020, 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by ab2013

Found this on airliners.

Thought it was interesting. Seems that SLC probably won’t see more international service but see more domestic service with the 220 base. SEA could lose some domestic service - no 220 base. Will MSP see upgauging and the new A330neos?

DTW and NYC look like they'll remain pretty large in DL’s network for the foreseeable future.
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I’m surprised LAX and SEA are keeping their 7ER base (757/763) but MSP and DTW are loosing theirs. You’d think they would want to keep the smaller fleet pilots based in the larger hubs. I don’t think LAX and SEA have any long haul 763 routes left anymore (SEA Asia routes were in the process of changing to the 339) so I’d assume most of this flying will be 757 which will probably stay on Hawaii routes for the time being.
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Old May 15, 2020, 10:50 am
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I think DL is going to retire half of the 767s but keeping the newer birds - there are 763s and 764s that were delivered between 2000 and 2005, IIRC. The 764s were reconfigured to have lower density, so it's possible SEA could see its international routes downgauged and to me PEK seems like a likely candidate. I doubt KIX is coming back next summer based on the forecasted decline.
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Old May 15, 2020, 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by ab2013
There are lots of routes in the network out of SEA that works really well (for A220) - SFO/SJC, FAI, ORD, MKE, IND...
I agree. And I see no reason why that would change.

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I think the 7ER means the 757/67 - wonder if SEA will see PEK/CDG return to the 763 during the low season.
I doubt it personally. I think we'll see an increase in 757 on flights between SEA and the Eastern half of the US + Hawaii + Alaska
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Old May 15, 2020, 11:02 am
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Originally Posted by kjnangre
I agree. And I see no reason why that would change.


I doubt it personally. I think we'll see an increase in 757 on flights between SEA and the Eastern half of the US + Hawaii + Alaska
The load factors for those routes were not good during this winter when the economy was still strong (SJC was at 56%, SMF was at 46%, and IND was at 69% this January). I'm not sure some of those routes will come back at all on mainline metal, at least on a year-round basis.

I think ANC will stay on the 737 instead of the 757 (LF @ 72% this January) and FAI (LF @ 79%) on the A220 or E75, especially if DL wants to hold onto the 757 as long as it can by deploying it on longer routes. Agreed that the 757 will stay on the Hawaiian routes. Not sure if they're considering moving some of the TATL routes out of JFK to the 757.
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Old May 15, 2020, 9:38 pm
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Originally Posted by ab2013
I think DL is going to retire half of the 767s but keeping the newer birds - there are 763s and 764s that were delivered between 2000 and 2005, IIRC. The 764s were reconfigured to have lower density, so it's possible SEA could see its international routes downgauged and to me PEK seems like a likely candidate. I doubt KIX is coming back next summer based on the forecasted decline.
Yes, the 764s will stay according to another more detailed memo to the pilots; it will be used out of ATL and NYC for European routes that do not require the capacity or the A333s. The 764 is a separate pilot group from the 763ERs and is denoted by the “765” pilot category in the pilot base graphic posted above.
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Old May 16, 2020, 12:16 am
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Originally Posted by ab2013


Found this on airliners.

Thought it was interesting. Seems that SLC probably won’t see more international service but see more domestic service with the 220 base. SEA could lose some domestic service - no 220 base. Will MSP see upgauging and the new A330neos?

DTW and NYC look like they'll remain pretty large in DL’s network for the foreseeable future.
Originally Posted by kjnangre
Thanks for sharing!

SEA isn't currently a 220 base and it gets plenty of A220 service. Not sure I see anything here indicating that SEA could lose some domestic service
Most 220s I was on (pre CV19) had a SLC crew that rotated through SEA on their trips.
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Old May 16, 2020, 3:55 am
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With these changes, have their been declarations of pilot furloughs? IIRC, AA just announced a big one. Also interesting to note that CVG looses its last pilot base. Guess the transition to MSP and DTW is truly complete.
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Old May 16, 2020, 10:04 am
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When you look at that map, you quickly realize just how amazing it is that CVG held out this long. Atlanta being so far north, coupled with two northern hubs already in my view is what really did them in.
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Old May 16, 2020, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
Yes, the 764s will stay according to another more detailed memo to the pilots; it will be used out of ATL and NYC for European routes that do not require the capacity or the A333s. The 764 is a separate pilot group from the 763ERs and is denoted by the “765” pilot category in the pilot base graphic posted above.
Is the entire 763 fleet getting retired though? Noticed that SLC, MSP, and DTW are all losing the 7ER base.
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Old May 16, 2020, 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by ab2013
Is the entire 763 fleet getting retired though? Noticed that SLC, MSP, and DTW are all losing the 7ER base.
Seems unlikely anytime soon, DL needs something between the 757 and the A330. No worries, there are still lots of 7ER bases on the map.
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Old May 16, 2020, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by kjnangre
Seems unlikely anytime soon, DL needs something between the 757 and the A330. No worries, there are still lots of 7ER bases on the map.
As I mentioned above, it seems strange DTW and MSP are loosing their 7ER base, but LAX and SEA are keeping theirs. Sounds like any 757/767s flying out of DTW will switch to Airbus either 321 or 330 and Hawaii flights will remain on the 757 from the west coast.
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Old May 16, 2020, 11:13 am
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As I mentioned above, it seems strange DTW and MSP are loosing their 7ER base, but LAX and SEA are keeping theirs. Sounds like any 757/767s flying out of DTW will switch to Airbus either 321 or 330 and Hawaii flights will remain on the 757 from the west coast.
Not too strange when you actually think about it. The majority of the 7ER flights at MSP/DTW were probably 757's, something that can easily be backfilled with other aircraft. LAX makes sense because of the D1 transcons to JFK/BOS/DCA as well as the Hawaii and peak hub flights. SEA is kind of a mystery, but makes sense if they plan to keep the 757 on the longer transcons. The 767 might also be used to restart some Intl ops.

Seems like the 717's are staying for now as well.
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Old May 16, 2020, 11:32 am
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Just ran across an interesting equipment up-guage. It looks like an ORD-DTW flight a few times a week is being up-guaged from a CR9 to a 76Z. I saw the article on DL's news page about the DTW-LHR service being driven somewhat by cargo originating in ORD, but I never thought they'd keep the same equipment through!
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Old May 16, 2020, 11:36 am
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I can see why it makes sense to upgague for now though. I'm not sure it will go on forever.
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Old May 16, 2020, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Yellowjj
Seems like the 717's are staying for now as well.
The 717s are going to start slowly phasing out as well. MSP is loosing its 717 base and the internal pilot memo said they were only planning on using 35-40 of them next Summer and the rest will be "parked." I'd assume they will all be gone by May of 2022 which was the deadline the FAA gave DL to replace the seats on these planes back in 2017.
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