james318

After flying around on DC9's, they look like babies.

cmd320

With today’s aircraft I would agree with you. But older well-built aircraft generally aged much more slowly. DL has consistently kept older aircraft around longer than many other airlines because of their superior maintenance and rehab of old frames. DL is replacing some 757s but has continually stated they are more interested in a proper 757 and 767 replacement aircraft.

SJC ORD LDR

This was at a time when no one was really buying airplanes as well. But, they couldn't afford to keep the tooling around if they weren't making any airplanes. This might become a very short sighted move by Boeing. To make a version of the 757 with a LEAP engine would take very little modification. As we all know now, the changes to the 737 to accommodate these engines has proven to be very problematic and could potentially be fatal to Boeing going forward.

readywhenyouare

Yeah it's a shame they couldn't have mothballed the tooling. I think a 753 with the LEAP would do very well. It would truly be a CASM king.

Dawgfan6291

might want to look more into who you are talking to. He/she isn't the most rational person in the world when it comes to Delta and Boeing/Airbus.
Because the 757 wasn't selling and 737NGs were.
At the time Boeing shut down the 757 line (2005 IIRC) most of Delta's 757s weren't even close to 20 years old.
Boeing can't just make a 757 MAX. Most of the tooling is gone. Most of the suppliers are gone and/or have shifted to other products. Most of the factory space is gone. I believe the 757 wing factory is now a shopping mall for example.

and a 40-42K engine is outside of the GE/Sanfran Joint venture, so they can't just "make a 757 with a LEAP"

readywhenyouare

And yet my past predictions have been correct. There is no reason Airbus can't replace the remainder of the fleet. Delta simply uses Boeing as a bargaining chip. The only way I could see them ever ordering another Boeing is if Airbus gets too cocky or Boeing sells them at or below production cost. I don't think either are likely.

Dawgfan6291

I don't think I've seen you predict anything right. Care to clarify?

The only thing you might have gotten right is the A321NEO order, which has been explained to you 100 times that the order was won due to Pratt not Airbus and yet you still run with the "Delta HATES Boeing" rhetoric. I do remember the fact you couldn't understand why billions of dollars in MRO revenue would matter when buying airplanes.
Other than math and making a complete turn around from what the airline has been doing.

With growth you are talking about ~85-100 frames a year. I'm not even sure Airbus has the slots or the slower produced aircraft (220/330/350) could even do that. Not to mention it goes completely against capital expenditure plans. Even with a pretty aggressive schedule to replace the MD88 and MD90 that kind of money or delivery rate hasn't been hit by a single OEM at Delta.

WillBarrett_68

on what routes??

readywhenyouare

Delta has used the 753 for everything from ATL-MCO, Hawaii, and even a couple of one-off TATL flights from BOS. It's a very versatile aircraft.

WillBarrett_68

I understand where they use the 753 today. But they already have the 753, they inherited it from NWA. They have to use it SOMEWHERE, it's a sunk cost.

That's a lot different than saying there would be a compelling case for buying a new version of it.

readywhenyouare

If Boeing had produced a 757NG then United would have ordered it instead of the A321XLR. But Boeing had nothing to offer in that size category. The only consolation was that they were finally able to use the deposits for their 4x deferred A350 order. It's silly to think airlines would reject a 757NG if it was available and wait in line for 5+ years for an A321 production slot. Both A and B would have a normal production timeline.

cmd320

Agreed, a modern 757 would quickly be the best aircraft in the narrowbody market. What is also desperately needed is a modern A300 replacement. The first manufacturer to create a line that fills both roles will have a virtually unbeatable product.

micstatic

CMD320. How would you get around the extra weight the 757 has to carry around? Also the A300 was replaced over a generation ago. Why is there a need for that?

cmd320

What extra weight? It’s a larger aircraft sure but it also carries more passengers a longer distance than any comparable Boeing replacement. An NG version could easily shed some weight.

The A300 was replaced with what? There is no aircraft currently in that market segment.

Dawgfan6291

I'd love to see the proof of that one.

I'd also love to know how you know for a fact United (or any other operator) would have ordered a 757NG?
the ~25,000lbs OEW over the 321
the ~30,000lbs OEW over the 739ER would be my guess.

The A300 was replaced by the 739/321 on the bottom end and 767/330 on the top end. The market doesn't need or want every single seat class covered. Sure there might be a few airlines who want something A300 like but its a pretty big assumption there is enough demand for something that size that would be profitable.