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Originally Posted by samwise6222
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Originally Posted by manacit
(Post 31986949)
Without getting into OMNI territory, it definitely doesn't help that short regional flights would be train rides in other parts of the world. SEA-GEG/PDX/PSC/YVR are a significant number of aircraft movements every day (the real limiting factor here, not pax) and, if replaced by trains, would ease a significant amount of the burden placed on SEA and likely improve passenger experience significantly. |
Originally Posted by samwise6222
(Post 31986936)
... Loopy doopy doop
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Originally Posted by samwise6222
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Originally Posted by beachmouse
(Post 31985070)
Sometimes it’s a runway hold at VPS. The amount of pavement is huge (main runway could handle a cargo 747 ferrying the space shuttle from California back to KSC) you can get 20-30 minute gaps in scheduled civilian service and there are no general aviation aircraft so getting in the way isn’t really an issue if the military side of the airport has a light take off and landing schedule that day
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Originally Posted by Paplover
(Post 31987089)
SEA-PSC can have 11 RT a day between AS and DL. 22 aircraft movements, either turbo props or RJs for an airport serving about 250,000 folks a 3-4 hour drive away. Add in another 30 RT to PDX you have almost 100 aircraft movements at SEA for two cities less than 200 miles away. Add in GEG at 22 RT and you get almost 7 movements per hour at SEA for these 3 cities based on an 18 hour travel day (0600-2359). Local traffic really impacts capacity at SEA.
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Hi -
For trains to be an effective alternative, there would have to be frequent Link service to Tukwila station (Think the MTA Penn Station - Grand Central Line) and then timely connecting schedules from TUK-PDX and TUK-SEA-GEG. Not going to happen. Not in my lifetime. |
Originally Posted by samwise6222
(Post 31986936)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6b9326e0a1.png From October 2018. There was low fog at SEA. |
Originally Posted by The Situation
(Post 31987264)
...The value is not the convenience or the frequency of flights, but knowing that I WILL get to my destination and will do so in a reasonable amount of time. More mainline aircraft on these routes to guarantee reliability would be appreciated and I would be happy to trade it for less frequent flights and longer queues to board the plane.
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Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 31987403)
the airlines have to balance convenience and frequency with revenue and cost ... and they have determined that it's more profitable to use smaller aircraft on most if not all the flights in short-haul markets like SEA<->PDX/YVR/PSC ... that said, though, I've seen a handful of mainline jets on SEA<->PDX recently (both AS and DL)
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Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 31987403)
the airlines have to balance convenience and frequency with revenue and cost ... and they have determined that it's more profitable to use smaller aircraft on most if not all the flights in short-haul markets like SEA<->PDX/YVR/PSC ... that said, though, I've seen a handful of mainline jets on SEA<->PDX recently (both AS and DL)
I don't blame them for running them, or people for flying them - it's a wonderful experience to fly to Spokane - arrive to SEA 20 minutes before boarding, hop right on and be in a rental car in 2-3 hours if there's no delays. I would bet HSR would easily be competitive here, but that's about as unlikely to happen as the Concorde doing laps between the two cities. The value is not the convenience or the frequency of flights, but knowing that I WILL get to my destination and will do so in a reasonable amount of time. More mainline aircraft on these routes to guarantee reliability would be appreciated and I would be happy to trade it for less frequent flights and longer queues to board the plane. Right, this is where HSR would fit in. Just like Frankfurt to Amsterdam by train is competitive, so could Seattle to many parts of WA, OR and BC. It's a pipe dream of course, and we'll likely be stuck with fly-or-drive for the foreseeable future. SEA-PSC can have 11 RT a day between AS and DL. 22 aircraft movements, either turbo props or RJs for an airport serving about 250,000 folks a 3-4 hour drive away. Add in another 30 RT to PDX you have almost 100 aircraft movements at SEA for two cities less than 200 miles away. Add in GEG at 22 RT and you get almost 7 movements per hour at SEA for these 3 cities based on an 18 hour travel day (0600-2359). Local traffic really impacts capacity at SEA. |
Originally Posted by manacit
(Post 31987509)
I know DL flies at least one of their SEA-GEG-SEA trips mainline, to get people to SEA early in the day for a later connection, or back to GEG at the end of the day. In the summer, I think they actually get two mainline flights in each direction per day, quite a bit of lift between the two cities.
I don't blame them for running them, or people for flying them - it's a wonderful experience to fly to Spokane - arrive to SEA 20 minutes before boarding, hop right on and be in a rental car in 2-3 hours if there's no delays. I would bet HSR would easily be competitive here, but that's about as unlikely to happen as the Concorde doing laps between the two cities. Right, this is where HSR would fit in. Just like Frankfurt to Amsterdam by train is competitive, so could Seattle to many parts of WA, OR and BC. It's a pipe dream of course, and we'll likely be stuck with fly-or-drive for the foreseeable future. Once you factor in the rest of WA it really starts to get a bit inane, in my opinion: 5 RT a day for PUW, 2 for ALW, 12 for PSC, 4 for YKM and 4 for BLI, and that's not even the summer schedule. That's another 54 movements per day for just cities in WA! Then you've got another 17 daily RTs to get to YVR across AC/AS/DL.. |
This is a frequent topic on the AS board.
Gate availability is particularly horrible right now because of the construction over in the N satellite terminal closing half the gates over there. They've started to use bus gates which has irked a number of AS customers, but I'd rather have that than sit on the tarmac for an hour waiting for an open gate. The DL expansion is what really kicked off the growth and congestion here. I first moved out to SEA in 2006 from New York, and I remember thinking the airport was so easy to navigate and much less delay-prone than JFK/EWR/LGA. Now it's getting just as bad as NYC. Long term, the state is considering alternatives like adding another airport to the south, possibly at McChord Field, or possibly expanding operations at PAE. For AS, I'd like to see them move more ex-SEA O/D traffic there. They have a bunch of QX-operated E175s serving west coast routes to LAX, SFO, PDX, etc but I bet they would be successful shifting more capacity over to Paine Field in the way of mainline 737 service. |
PAE is a nice airport with plenty of capacity. PAE as a short-haul airport might make sense - GIG, PDX, etc. DL's A220s would fit in nicely.
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Originally Posted by rickg523
(Post 31986437)
Oh. It's our fault.
Funny though, customers demand free checked bags, larger seat pitch, and free seat selection. But those aren't just willy-nilly acceded to with no consideration of the consequences. |
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