Jan 3, 2019, 4:22 am
Last edit by: N515CR
Status as of 14 Apr 2024
Fleet #...Reg #...Entry date...Completion date...21/21 finished. Mods done at CAN. All entry and completion dates are based on CAN time (GMT + 8 hours).
ViaSat IFC mods in progress: 17/21 completed.
1801 N825MH - Entered Feb 18 2020...exited Sept 10 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). ViaSat IFC.
1802 N826MH - Entered Nov 18 2019...exited Jan 19 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1803 N827MH - Entered Feb 26 2020...exited Oct 23 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). Arrived @ CAN Apr 15 2024 for ViaSat IFC.
1804 N828MH - Entered Jan 4 2019...exited June 24 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1805 N829MH - Entered Sept 11 2020...exited Oct 22 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1806 N830MH - Entered Oct 22 2020...exited Dec 13 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1807 N831MH - Entered Sept 4 2019...exited Nov 13 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1808 N832MH - Entered March 30 2021...exited May 4 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1809 N833MH - Entered Sept 15 2019...exited Nov 24 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1810 N834MH - Entered Sept 11 2019...exited Nov 17 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1811 N835MH - Entered Oct 2 2019...exited Dec 6 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1812 N836MH - Entered Nov 20 2019...exited Jan 29 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1813 N837MH - Entered Nov 29 2019...exited Feb 19 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1814 N838MH - Entered Dec 11 2019...exited Feb 26 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1815 N839MH - Entered Jan 23 2020...exited Oct 21 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). Arrived @ CAN Apr 12 2024 for ViaSat IFC.
1816 N840MH - Entered Jan 24 2020...exited Sept 11 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). ViaSat IFC.
1817 N841MH - Entered July 10 2022…exited Sept 2 2022.
1818 N842MH - Entered Feb 23 2022...exited May 21 2022.
1819 N843MH - Entered Dec 13 2020...exited Feb 4 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1820 N844MH - Entered Feb 4 2021...exited March 30 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1821 N845MH - Entered Feb 4 2021...exited March 29 2021. ViaSat IFC.
All 21 frames were factory-fresh from Boeing and delivered 8/2000 to 4/2002.
No doors on D1 Suites and new seat count noted in jrkmsp's thread from 4/4/19: old config was C40/W28/Y178 = 246 seats...new config is C34/W20/Y+28/Y156 = 238 seats. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ave-doors.html
767-400 cabin tour: https://youtu.be/Sy73VB3V1kY
Delta announced that 764s will get the new wireless IFE system developed by Delta Flight Products.
Seat 4D is configured as a Crew Rest Seat and will be X'd out on seat maps for flights where it's use is required.
The footwells in Row 1 are larger. 1A and 1D are larger than 1B and 1C.
Existing Wi-Fi is GoGo 2Ku, and there is no Live TV.
Fleet #...Reg #...Entry date...Completion date...21/21 finished. Mods done at CAN. All entry and completion dates are based on CAN time (GMT + 8 hours).
ViaSat IFC mods in progress: 17/21 completed.
1801 N825MH - Entered Feb 18 2020...exited Sept 10 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). ViaSat IFC.
1802 N826MH - Entered Nov 18 2019...exited Jan 19 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1803 N827MH - Entered Feb 26 2020...exited Oct 23 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). Arrived @ CAN Apr 15 2024 for ViaSat IFC.
1804 N828MH - Entered Jan 4 2019...exited June 24 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1805 N829MH - Entered Sept 11 2020...exited Oct 22 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1806 N830MH - Entered Oct 22 2020...exited Dec 13 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1807 N831MH - Entered Sept 4 2019...exited Nov 13 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1808 N832MH - Entered March 30 2021...exited May 4 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1809 N833MH - Entered Sept 15 2019...exited Nov 24 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1810 N834MH - Entered Sept 11 2019...exited Nov 17 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1811 N835MH - Entered Oct 2 2019...exited Dec 6 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1812 N836MH - Entered Nov 20 2019...exited Jan 29 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1813 N837MH - Entered Nov 29 2019...exited Feb 19 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1814 N838MH - Entered Dec 11 2019...exited Feb 26 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1815 N839MH - Entered Jan 23 2020...exited Oct 21 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). Arrived @ CAN Apr 12 2024 for ViaSat IFC.
1816 N840MH - Entered Jan 24 2020...exited Sept 11 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). ViaSat IFC.
1817 N841MH - Entered July 10 2022…exited Sept 2 2022.
1818 N842MH - Entered Feb 23 2022...exited May 21 2022.
1819 N843MH - Entered Dec 13 2020...exited Feb 4 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1820 N844MH - Entered Feb 4 2021...exited March 30 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1821 N845MH - Entered Feb 4 2021...exited March 29 2021. ViaSat IFC.
All 21 frames were factory-fresh from Boeing and delivered 8/2000 to 4/2002.
No doors on D1 Suites and new seat count noted in jrkmsp's thread from 4/4/19: old config was C40/W28/Y178 = 246 seats...new config is C34/W20/Y+28/Y156 = 238 seats. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ave-doors.html
767-400 cabin tour: https://youtu.be/Sy73VB3V1kY
Delta announced that 764s will get the new wireless IFE system developed by Delta Flight Products.
Seat 4D is configured as a Crew Rest Seat and will be X'd out on seat maps for flights where it's use is required.
The footwells in Row 1 are larger. 1A and 1D are larger than 1B and 1C.
Existing Wi-Fi is GoGo 2Ku, and there is no Live TV.
767-400 764 Delta One Suites & Premium Select Refurb Status and Trip Reports
Jan 3, 2019, 4:18 am
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767-400 764 Delta One Suites & Premium Select Refurb Status and Trip Reports
The first frame to CAN for installation of suites, Premium Select, Comfort+ and main cabin went out 1-2-19. As details of the layout and seat map become available we can add to the Wikipost.
Last edited by 3Cforme; Jan 3, 2019 at 4:24 am
Jan 10, 2019, 3:36 pm
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I'm also interested in how this will affect TCON service, in particular JFK-LAX which typically sees around 3 764 flights per day. Will they move the 764s off? Will Premium Select become a TCON product?
Jan 10, 2019, 3:43 pm
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While the 764 have plenty of life, there are a lot of 763s that are going to be effectively EOL 2021-2023 - and it probably doesn't make sense to invest in a refurb (I figure if they can run it for 4+ years, a refurb makes sense.. anything less than that is probably putting good money after bad). My guess is that starting in 2021 and for the few years after that, a subfleet of non-refurbed 763s will run those D1 routes. After 2023 I assume they will have to start swapping in other planes, but who knows.
An added advantage of this would be keeping those old nearly dead birds close to home (and, therefore, MX facilities) given that they mostly run hub-hub routes.
Jan 10, 2019, 5:22 pm
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While the 764 have plenty of life, there are a lot of 763s that are going to be effectively EOL 2021-2023 - and it probably doesn't make sense to invest in a refurb (I figure if they can run it for 4+ years, a refurb makes sense.. anything less than that is probably putting good money after bad). My guess is that starting in 2021 and for the few years after that, a subfleet of non-refurbed 763s will run those D1 routes. After 2023 I assume they will have to start swapping in other planes, but who knows.
An added advantage of this would be keeping those old nearly dead birds close to home (and, therefore, MX facilities) given that they mostly run hub-hub routes.
An added advantage of this would be keeping those old nearly dead birds close to home (and, therefore, MX facilities) given that they mostly run hub-hub routes.
Jan 10, 2019, 6:20 pm
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There are around 25 763ERs that were delivered between 1998 and 2001(about 8 from 2000-2001, 8 from 1999, etc) which makes them around the same age as the 764s - approx 18-20 years. The oldest 763ERs still flying today date back to at least 1990 (some of the ex-Gulf ones may be even older), which means DL is still flying them at 27-28 years. So they can easily squeeze another 8-10 years of service from those 25, more than enough time to obtain a payback from a Suites refurbishment.
Jan 10, 2019, 7:14 pm
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Agreed - most 763s will get the refurbs. I'm talking about the subset that are older - those that were delivered before '96 or so. There's about 15 of those, 7-10 of which will probably be able to make it to 2021 but not much beyond that. Those will be very, very near retirement and not worth the cost to refurb.
Jan 10, 2019, 7:28 pm
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Another possibility is that Delta is truly going to run these 767s into the ground and basically keep them all running for 32+ years (rather than the 28-30 I assume). They seem to really like the economics on them - but still, the maintenance cost curve has to at some point catch up to them.
Jan 10, 2019, 10:12 pm
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Can't wait to see how this turns out. 1-1-1 would be a very spacious cabin but not very couple-friendly.
I don't think they can fit 1-2-1.
Maybe they could do "throne seating":
1-1-1
1-2-1
1-1-1
1-2-1
I don't think they can fit 1-2-1.
Maybe they could do "throne seating":
1-1-1
1-2-1
1-1-1
1-2-1
Jan 11, 2019, 6:57 am
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Well, I have friends in a particular department at DL. I won't say much, but both the 764 fleet (as we already know) and the remaining 763s will be getting new D1 cabins. They will not be the exact same seat found on the 350/777 (though I'm told very similar, but not fully enclosed) as they won't fit in an economic manner. Older 763s will be getting retired as 339s come online (delivering with suites).
I knew this in my first post, I just wanted to see what everyone else thoughts were. The J cabin will be cut, roughly, in half on the 764 as well.
I knew this in my first post, I just wanted to see what everyone else thoughts were. The J cabin will be cut, roughly, in half on the 764 as well.
Jan 12, 2019, 7:28 am
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Not surprising given DL's overall strategy. I expect by the time this (763 and 764 refurb) is done $600 Z fares and most instrument backed upgrades will be a thing of the past on the TCONs, as DL starts selling one way $3000 "premium suite transcontinental service" fares, with "transcontinental premium select" replacing the former Z fare price point.
Historically, the TCONs went from 16F (738) to 16J (75E) to 16J lie flat (75S) to 26J (76Z) to 36J (767) to 40J (764) with the occasional 330, presumably in response to demand. So if the 764 goes to low-20J it's a bit of a return to the past, but then the question would be is this really cutting supply to match demand? IME the JFK-LAX flights usually sell 30+J (and eg this Monday mostly holds to that pattern). I suppose DL could always up frequency to make up capacity.
I realize the TCON service is something of the tail and not the dog when it comes to 763/764 utilization, but I think we already pretty well understand the impact of J cabin reduction on INTL service and I'm more curious how the premium domestic routes will be affected.
Historically, the TCONs went from 16F (738) to 16J (75E) to 16J lie flat (75S) to 26J (76Z) to 36J (767) to 40J (764) with the occasional 330, presumably in response to demand. So if the 764 goes to low-20J it's a bit of a return to the past, but then the question would be is this really cutting supply to match demand? IME the JFK-LAX flights usually sell 30+J (and eg this Monday mostly holds to that pattern). I suppose DL could always up frequency to make up capacity.
I realize the TCON service is something of the tail and not the dog when it comes to 763/764 utilization, but I think we already pretty well understand the impact of J cabin reduction on INTL service and I'm more curious how the premium domestic routes will be affected.
Jan 12, 2019, 7:56 am
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New config will have 238 seats as follows:
34 D1 Suites
20 Premium Select
28 Comfort Plus
156 Main Cabin
34 D1 Suites
20 Premium Select
28 Comfort Plus
156 Main Cabin
Last edited by audidudi; Oct 25, 2021 at 10:06 pm Reason: Updated my posting to reflect correct Comfort Plus and Main Cabin seat totals.
Jan 12, 2019, 9:09 am
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If this is true.. 20 Premium Select? That will be an odd layout.. presumably it will be 6 across so this means that there will be one row with only 2 seats (or perhaps 2 rows with 6, and two rows with 4?).
Jan 12, 2019, 9:34 am
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Given DL's other configs, it almost seems like 20J/34W is more likely... Have they had a problem filling the relatively large A350 W cabin?