International 4 cabin equip. on domestic routes
Dec 30, 2019, 3:26 pm
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International 4 cabin equip. on domestic routes
On a 772 ATL->LAX (hopefully) and it does have some real advantages.
. The C+ upgrade books into PE seats. A huge win.
. For those unable to get the C+ upgrade, the C+ seats are available as preferred seats.
. And one can still get lucky on the D1 uprade (in my case a need a RUC to clear).
Of course equipment is always a crapshoot, but I find most often the international bird flies as scheduled as they need it to LAX.
. The C+ upgrade books into PE seats. A huge win.
. For those unable to get the C+ upgrade, the C+ seats are available as preferred seats.
. And one can still get lucky on the D1 uprade (in my case a need a RUC to clear).
Of course equipment is always a crapshoot, but I find most often the international bird flies as scheduled as they need it to LAX.
Dec 30, 2019, 3:44 pm
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On a 772 ATL->LAX (hopefully) and it does have some real advantages.
. The C+ upgrade books into PE seats. A huge win.
. For those unable to get the C+ upgrade, the C+ seats are available as preferred seats.
. And one can still get lucky on the D1 uprade (in my case a need a RUC to clear).
Of course equipment is always a crapshoot, but I find most often the international bird flies as scheduled as they need it to LAX.
. The C+ upgrade books into PE seats. A huge win.
. For those unable to get the C+ upgrade, the C+ seats are available as preferred seats.
. And one can still get lucky on the D1 uprade (in my case a need a RUC to clear).
Of course equipment is always a crapshoot, but I find most often the international bird flies as scheduled as they need it to LAX.
Main Cabin starts at Row 30; there are no seats beyond Row 25 until you reach Row 30.
Dec 30, 2019, 3:50 pm
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What you obsered is exactly what the OP is saying -- PE (row 20-25) is treated as C+ on domestic flights (including PM/DM being able to clear into it at booking pending availability as with all C+) while the rows that are C+ on international flights (rows 30 - 40) are treated as Main Cabin Preferred (e.g., same as exit row -- so all medallions including FO can select at booking plus some corporate fares).
International vs. Domestic for the 777 4 class:
D1 = F
PE = C+
C+ = Main Cabin Preferred
Main Cabin = Main Cabin
I've seen somewhat reasonable upgrade offers on LAX - ATL before too for F (in the D1 seat but normal F service) -- something around $250 which isn't bad for a lie-flat on a route just short of 2000 miles.
Dec 30, 2019, 4:01 pm
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Dec 30, 2019, 4:22 pm
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77L also many days on ATL-JFK to complete the rotation from JFK-BOM service.
I have taken the ATL-LAX refubished 77L many times. Never received a complimentary upgrade as a DM on Friday night in ATL or Sunday AM in LAX. 50/50 success with RUC. One time I was #7 on the list using an RUC that was applied correctly (called twice from gate). Still, the PS hard product, especially the 2-seat bulkheads, are very nice as a complimentary UG at ticketing. Of course, no meal, just snack basket since the soft product is still domestic C+.
This flight usually books at a higher fare class for F than the neighboring flights a few months out. Also, the 77L can disappear from the ATL-LAX route for weeks at at time, often with little notice. I had one booked for May and it was downgraded already, so I ended up with a more expensive 739 F trip than I could have had on the neighboring flights at original booking.
WFBF is the rule here or take your chances with SDC if you are flexible.
I have taken the ATL-LAX refubished 77L many times. Never received a complimentary upgrade as a DM on Friday night in ATL or Sunday AM in LAX. 50/50 success with RUC. One time I was #7 on the list using an RUC that was applied correctly (called twice from gate). Still, the PS hard product, especially the 2-seat bulkheads, are very nice as a complimentary UG at ticketing. Of course, no meal, just snack basket since the soft product is still domestic C+.
This flight usually books at a higher fare class for F than the neighboring flights a few months out. Also, the 77L can disappear from the ATL-LAX route for weeks at at time, often with little notice. I had one booked for May and it was downgraded already, so I ended up with a more expensive 739 F trip than I could have had on the neighboring flights at original booking.
WFBF is the rule here or take your chances with SDC if you are flexible.
Dec 30, 2019, 4:26 pm
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When this happens domestically, do only those in the (hard product) PS seats get the enhanced snack basket & complimentary alcoholic beverages, and those in the (hard product) C+ seats get the regular economy snack/drink offerings?
Dec 30, 2019, 4:32 pm
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Not that it really matters much. Drinks? How many coupons does everybody have. Snack basket? I doubt I will see a banana if not in F.
Dec 30, 2019, 5:54 pm
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Row 30 is where C+ starts in the 4 cabin 777.
What you obsered is exactly what the OP is saying -- PE (row 20-25) is treated as C+ on domestic flights (including PM/DM being able to clear into it at booking pending availability as with all C+) while the rows that are C+ on international flights (rows 30 - 40) are treated as Main Cabin Preferred (e.g., same as exit row -- so all medallions including FO can select at booking plus some corporate fares).
International vs. Domestic for the 777 4 class:
D1 = F
PE = C+
C+ = Main Cabin Preferred
Main Cabin = Main Cabin
I've seen somewhat reasonable upgrade offers on LAX - ATL before too for F (in the D1 seat but normal F service) -- something around $250 which isn't bad for a lie-flat on a route just short of 2000 miles.
What you obsered is exactly what the OP is saying -- PE (row 20-25) is treated as C+ on domestic flights (including PM/DM being able to clear into it at booking pending availability as with all C+) while the rows that are C+ on international flights (rows 30 - 40) are treated as Main Cabin Preferred (e.g., same as exit row -- so all medallions including FO can select at booking plus some corporate fares).
International vs. Domestic for the 777 4 class:
D1 = F
PE = C+
C+ = Main Cabin Preferred
Main Cabin = Main Cabin
I've seen somewhat reasonable upgrade offers on LAX - ATL before too for F (in the D1 seat but normal F service) -- something around $250 which isn't bad for a lie-flat on a route just short of 2000 miles.
Dec 30, 2019, 6:12 pm
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Call it whatever you like, but there is no difference in seat pitch or width starting with Row 30, through the rear of the airplane. Also, good luck with convincing a FA that you are entitled to complimentary drinks or the “enhanced” snack basket if seated in Main Cabin, or If you prefer that part of “Comfort+“ beginning with Row 30.
But when the flight goes international. these seats are sold as C+ with extra pitch. I kind of assume they do not move the seats, so there really is a couple inches more pitch in these rows.
Dec 30, 2019, 6:12 pm
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77L also many days on ATL-JFK to complete the rotation from JFK-BOM service.
I have taken the ATL-LAX refubished 77L many times. Never received a complimentary upgrade as a DM on Friday night in ATL or Sunday AM in LAX. 50/50 success with RUC. One time I was #7 on the list using an RUC that was applied correctly (called twice from gate). Still, the PS hard product, especially the 2-seat bulkheads, are very nice as a complimentary UG at ticketing. Of course, no meal, just snack basket since the soft product is still domestic C+.
This flight usually books at a higher fare class for F than the neighboring flights a few months out. Also, the 77L can disappear from the ATL-LAX route for weeks at at time, often with little notice. I had one booked for May and it was downgraded already, so I ended up with a more expensive 739 F trip than I could have had on the neighboring flights at original booking.
WFBF is the rule here or take your chances with SDC if you are flexible.
I have taken the ATL-LAX refubished 77L many times. Never received a complimentary upgrade as a DM on Friday night in ATL or Sunday AM in LAX. 50/50 success with RUC. One time I was #7 on the list using an RUC that was applied correctly (called twice from gate). Still, the PS hard product, especially the 2-seat bulkheads, are very nice as a complimentary UG at ticketing. Of course, no meal, just snack basket since the soft product is still domestic C+.
This flight usually books at a higher fare class for F than the neighboring flights a few months out. Also, the 77L can disappear from the ATL-LAX route for weeks at at time, often with little notice. I had one booked for May and it was downgraded already, so I ended up with a more expensive 739 F trip than I could have had on the neighboring flights at original booking.
WFBF is the rule here or take your chances with SDC if you are flexible.
Dec 30, 2019, 6:15 pm
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Dec 30, 2019, 7:41 pm
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Call it whatever you like, but there is no difference in seat pitch or width starting with Row 30, through the rear of the airplane. Also, good luck with convincing a FA that you are entitled to complimentary drinks or the “enhanced” snack basket if seated in Main Cabin, or If you prefer that part of “Comfort+“ beginning with Row 30.
Dec 30, 2019, 8:35 pm
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This flight usually books at a higher fare class for F than the neighboring flights a few months out. Also, the 77L can disappear from the ATL-LAX route for weeks at at time, often with little notice. I had one booked for May and it was downgraded already, so I ended up with a more expensive 739 F trip than I could have had on the neighboring flights at original booking.
If you’re flight gets changed to an a/c not featuring a flatbed, you should be entitled to a refund of the surcharge. Alternatively, if travel time is not an issue, you could ask DL nicely to rebook via JFK/BOS/DCA, but this would require a waiver/favor.