Can't correctly price trip with KE TPAC segment
Trying to book an open jaw, SFO-PVG/SHE-SFO. I'd like to fly DL outbound and KE inbound.
DL.com offers this itinerary with a reasonable price ($800 or so): SFO-LAX-PVG/SHE-ICN-SEA-SFO, where ICN-SEA is DL metal. I'd like the ICN-SFO KE nonstop instead, but I simply can't get either DL.com, google flights or any OTA to price it no matter what I try. When I force this itinerary on itasoftware, it shows a price of $5404. Is there any hope to call DL to get this priced correctly, or does this indicate that there simply isn't a fare available for this itinerary? Since DL and KE has JV, one would assume that DL should happily put me on ICN-SFO with a similar price to ICN-SEA-SFO. |
It might be fare class availability, possibly in combination with rules regarding combinations of fares and open jaws. To verify, you'd need to look carefully at the complete fare rules. The $5404 fare you're seeing must be FULL Y or something close.
Is the ICN-SFO operated by KE available as a DL codeshare? How about SHE-ICN-SFO? What happens if you try the experiment of doing a dummy booking for something like SFO-ICN-SHE RT first using your travel dates and then maybe changing each date a bit in each direction to explore fare class availability? |
I had this problem in October when I went to BKK and SIN -- for some reason SIN - ICN was pricing forcing the whole ticket into Y when the other flights were in the usual corporate H fare we book into.
I had to book a separate SIN - BKK flight on KE flight numbers and ticket stock (ended up being a B fare) and then booked RDU - BKK // ICN - RDU on DL stock and flight numbers but allowed me to price it in line with corporate policies. I posted this at the time (since moved to a new thread) but DL was weirdly pricing out more cheaply and trying to push me via NRT with an SQ segment (this was after SIN - NRT ended). Try booking SHE - ICN as a standalone and see how it prices |
There's nothing wrong with the pricing. TPAC sector must be DL operated for the cheap fares.
SHE-SFO FARE CODE XLG03NMM FLIGHT APPLICATION ...AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA TRANSPACIFIC SECTORS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY DL. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 31826729)
Is the ICN-SFO operated by KE available as a DL codeshare? How about SHE-ICN-SFO?
What happens if you try the experiment of doing a dummy booking for something like SFO-ICN-SHE RT first using your travel dates and then maybe changing each date a bit in each direction to explore fare class availability? It's the same with RT. It seems SFO-China on DL + China-ICN-SFO on KE is simply not priceable, whether ICN-SFO is KE coded or DL coded.
Originally Posted by Duke787
(Post 31826827)
Try booking SHE - ICN as a standalone and see how it prices
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Originally Posted by xliioper
(Post 31826850)
There's nothing wrong with the pricing. TPAC sector must be DL operated for the cheap fares.
SHE-SFO FARE CODE XLG03NMM FLIGHT APPLICATION ...AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA TRANSPACIFIC SECTORS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY DL. |
Have you called calling DL to see whether they can put the flights you want together on a single ticket/PNR, using the DL codeshare for the ICN-SFO nonstop?
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KE has N fares from $805 roundtrip (fare basis NLX43MNK), but you can't combine these KE fares in one direction with DL fares in the other due to fare combination restrictions. You must go with the KE fares in both directions to get the desired routing on the return. KE N fares earn 100% MQM's and you'll earn very similar miles/MQD's to an $800 DL fare.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...33c87b467f.png |
Originally Posted by blug
(Post 31826877)
Ah, this is why. Nice find! But does it make sense for DL to exclude KE operated flights given the JV?
Delta passengers will have access to 80 destinations in Asia beyond Korean Air's Seoul Incheon hub under the partnership, he says. China, however, will not be included in the joint venture, says Bastian. same thing for UA+ANA JV, their transpacific JV doesnt include china |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 31826882)
Have you called calling DL to see whether they can put the flights you want together on a single ticket/PNR, using the DL codeshare for the ICN-SFO nonstop?
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Originally Posted by paperwastage
(Post 31827055)
https://www.flightglobal.com/delta-a...124611.article
probably because DL has partnership with China Eastern same thing for UA+ANA JV, their transpacific JV doesnt include china |
Originally Posted by blug
(Post 31827102)
Oh, does "JV doesn't include china" mean "DL and KE don't share revenue and cost on the TPAC segment of a trip, if that trip is between US and China"? I didn't know that.
but probably the case, given DL explicitly forces you to fly their metal trans-pacific when going to china |
Originally Posted by blug
(Post 31826698)
Trying to book an open jaw, SFO-PVG/SHE-SFO. I'd like to fly DL outbound and KE inbound.
DL.com offers this itinerary with a reasonable price ($800 or so): SFO-LAX-PVG/SHE-ICN-SEA-SFO, where ICN-SEA is DL metal. I'd like the ICN-SFO KE nonstop instead, but I simply can't get either DL.com, google flights or any OTA to price it no matter what I try. When I force this itinerary on itasoftware, it shows a price of $5404. Is there any hope to call DL to get this priced correctly, or does this indicate that there simply isn't a fare available for this itinerary? Since DL and KE has JV, one would assume that DL should happily put me on ICN-SFO with a similar price to ICN-SEA-SFO. I had a similar issue previously on a J ticket with CI segments. I could price it at $7300~ but during checkout it failed every time. I called, read the segments, fare classes I see, and they forced it through and were able to get the pricing aligned. I would suggest HUCA till you find an agent willing to take extra time with you. If you are willing to spend this much on a ticket, I have found Delta more than willing to take the time to get the pricing fixed. |
Called DL and spoke with a rep. No luck. I told the rep the specific flights I want, but she was unable to construct and price this itinerary. She talked to her supervisor, the supervisor was also unable, and advised me to call KE to book :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by ryandc99
(Post 31827192)
I had a similar issue previously on a J ticket with CI segments. I could price it at $7300~ but during checkout it failed every time. I called, read the segments, fare classes I see, and they forced it through and were able to get the pricing aligned. I would suggest HUCA till you find an agent willing to take extra time with you. If you are willing to spend this much on a ticket, I have found Delta more than willing to take the time to get the pricing fixed.
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