Have Diamonds Noticed they are lower on the upgrade list recently?
#1
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Join Date: Mar 2016
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Have Diamonds Noticed they are lower on the upgrade list recently?
Have any other Diamonds noticed a change in their normal upgrade list position? I fly weekly and last hadnful of flights I've been 4-7 on upgrade list whereas normally been 1-3? Just curious if they've changed the algorithm again.
#2
Join Date: Feb 2017
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If you are flying the same route at consistent times, check to see if the fare class for sale has changed. A fare rule changed on a ticket I regularly bought that changed it from an M to an H (used to be an H fare required at least 7 days advanced purchase). On an M ticket I would usually be in the top 5 of the upgrade list; on an H fare I frequently barely be in the top 15.
#3
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Maybe the are bumping Platss up? Sorry.... had to ...
Fares would be one option.
Also - as you get towards the end of they year, there are more folks that have reached Diamond status and therefore increased competition for seats.
Fares would be one option.
Also - as you get towards the end of they year, there are more folks that have reached Diamond status and therefore increased competition for seats.
#4
Join Date: Apr 2016
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Possible explanations I can think of:
1) People using up RUCs before they expire
2) Diamonds are booking the same fare class as you, earlier
3) You are booking lower fare classes than you used to (or others are booking higher fare classes)
4) DL isgiving away selling more seats through FCM (I had a $112 offer on SEA-JFK-xxx), so the three people that were in front of you that usually cleared in advance, no longer clear in advance
For what its worth, I was thinking the opposite last week in that I was quite high on the upgrade list as a GM on a cheap ticket. I think I was 20 out of 40 for SLC-SEA. Usually, I would be down around 30 of 40 with my fare class.
1) People using up RUCs before they expire
2) Diamonds are booking the same fare class as you, earlier
3) You are booking lower fare classes than you used to (or others are booking higher fare classes)
4) DL is
For what its worth, I was thinking the opposite last week in that I was quite high on the upgrade list as a GM on a cheap ticket. I think I was 20 out of 40 for SLC-SEA. Usually, I would be down around 30 of 40 with my fare class.
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#6
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As the year progresses there are more of each status. The new ones are on the list and the ones that won't requalify haven't dropped off yet.
But no, I haven't noticed. I mostly have been number 1 on the list for the last month and made all but one of them.
But no, I haven't noticed. I mostly have been number 1 on the list for the last month and made all but one of them.
#7
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[QUOTE=NoStressHere;31733653]Maybe the are bumping Platss up? Sorry.... had to ...
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If only! I have noticed that as a Plat I am lower on the lists lately. Ive usually been in the top dozen or so, but have been around 20 lately. On a bright note, I discovered this past week that flying the relatively obscure route of PVD-ATL-MSP at night got me upgraded at the window for both flights. I think those were my only window upgrades this year.
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If only! I have noticed that as a Plat I am lower on the lists lately. Ive usually been in the top dozen or so, but have been around 20 lately. On a bright note, I discovered this past week that flying the relatively obscure route of PVD-ATL-MSP at night got me upgraded at the window for both flights. I think those were my only window upgrades this year.
#8
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Two recent observations:
1) I was supposedly 8 of 12 on the standby list from LGA to Boston on a recent Tuesday (which is complete B.S. because I had purchased C+ and there was a C+ available so I should have been given a SDC, but gate agent was not the nicest guy. No way a Diamond would ever be 8 of 12 on standby? I would be fine being 8 of 30. But out of everyone wanting to standby (including non-revs) you are telling me that there are at least 8 diamonds?
2) I was 4 out of 5 on the upgrade list from LGA to DTW on a recent Saturday which also surprised me... I'm fine being 5 out of 20 - but 4 out of 5? What are the odds that four of the five people trying to get an upgrade on a Saturday are Diamonds? I had a paid C+ seat, but it was a cheap fare.
1) I was supposedly 8 of 12 on the standby list from LGA to Boston on a recent Tuesday (which is complete B.S. because I had purchased C+ and there was a C+ available so I should have been given a SDC, but gate agent was not the nicest guy. No way a Diamond would ever be 8 of 12 on standby? I would be fine being 8 of 30. But out of everyone wanting to standby (including non-revs) you are telling me that there are at least 8 diamonds?
2) I was 4 out of 5 on the upgrade list from LGA to DTW on a recent Saturday which also surprised me... I'm fine being 5 out of 20 - but 4 out of 5? What are the odds that four of the five people trying to get an upgrade on a Saturday are Diamonds? I had a paid C+ seat, but it was a cheap fare.
#9
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Two recent observations:
1) I was supposedly 8 of 12 on the standby list from LGA to Boston on a recent Tuesday (which is complete B.S. because I had purchased C+ and there was a C+ available so I should have been given a SDC, but gate agent was not the nicest guy. No way a Diamond would ever be 8 of 12 on standby? I would be fine being 8 of 30. But out of everyone wanting to standby (including non-revs) you are telling me that there are at least 8 diamonds?
1) I was supposedly 8 of 12 on the standby list from LGA to Boston on a recent Tuesday (which is complete B.S. because I had purchased C+ and there was a C+ available so I should have been given a SDC, but gate agent was not the nicest guy. No way a Diamond would ever be 8 of 12 on standby? I would be fine being 8 of 30. But out of everyone wanting to standby (including non-revs) you are telling me that there are at least 8 diamonds?
2) I was 4 out of 5 on the upgrade list from LGA to DTW on a recent Saturday which also surprised me... I'm fine being 5 out of 20 - but 4 out of 5? What are the odds that four of the five people trying to get an upgrade on a Saturday are Diamonds? I had a paid C+ seat, but it was a cheap fare.
I've never seen my place on the list as a Diamond and been "surprised". I have been as far down the list as 41 before (out of ~130) but I was on a V fare on a business-traveler heavy day.. so even that made total sense.
#10
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This doesn't surprise me. LGA->BOS is a business traveler heavy route and only Diamonds/Platinums get free SDS so it is likely that most everyone on that list was Diamond/Platinum.
This is odder to me, but at the same time, with only 5 people on the upgrade list.. it's a small enough sample that it could have just been one of those days.
I've never seen my place on the list as a Diamond and been "surprised". I have been as far down the list as 41 before (out of ~130) but I was on a V fare on a business-traveler heavy day.. so even that made total sense.
This is odder to me, but at the same time, with only 5 people on the upgrade list.. it's a small enough sample that it could have just been one of those days.
I've never seen my place on the list as a Diamond and been "surprised". I have been as far down the list as 41 before (out of ~130) but I was on a V fare on a business-traveler heavy day.. so even that made total sense.
The gate agent refused to let me SDC (despite one C+ being available) and put me on the standby list, suddenly I'm #8 on the standby list for DL 999... I get that the standby list and the upgrade list are different, and also, I don't know my fare class but I paid about $100 for C+, so definitely a low fare class - thoughts?
Also, as to your "everyone was a Diamond or Platinum" - which may very well be right - wouldn't most Diamonds and Plats pay the extra $14-$20 to book C+, and therefore, in theory at least should have been able to SDC rather than SDS?
Looking at 12/4 LGA to BOS for fun - the difference between Main and C+ ranges from $14 to $20.
#11
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I too was surprised tonight SJC-ATL. I fly this redeye often and as a Diamond have always been 1-3. Today I am #14 , which I find terribly odd. Maybe this focus city thing is finally taking root in the form of more Diamonds paying super high fares?
#12
Join Date: Dec 2017
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Two recent observations:
1) I was supposedly 8 of 12 on the standby list from LGA to Boston on a recent Tuesday (which is complete B.S. because I had purchased C+ and there was a C+ available so I should have been given a SDC, but gate agent was not the nicest guy. No way a Diamond would ever be 8 of 12 on standby? I would be fine being 8 of 30. But out of everyone wanting to standby (including non-revs) you are telling me that there are at least 8 diamonds?
2) I was 4 out of 5 on the upgrade list from LGA to DTW on a recent Saturday which also surprised me... I'm fine being 5 out of 20 - but 4 out of 5? What are the odds that four of the five people trying to get an upgrade on a Saturday are Diamonds? I had a paid C+ seat, but it was a cheap fare.
1) I was supposedly 8 of 12 on the standby list from LGA to Boston on a recent Tuesday (which is complete B.S. because I had purchased C+ and there was a C+ available so I should have been given a SDC, but gate agent was not the nicest guy. No way a Diamond would ever be 8 of 12 on standby? I would be fine being 8 of 30. But out of everyone wanting to standby (including non-revs) you are telling me that there are at least 8 diamonds?
2) I was 4 out of 5 on the upgrade list from LGA to DTW on a recent Saturday which also surprised me... I'm fine being 5 out of 20 - but 4 out of 5? What are the odds that four of the five people trying to get an upgrade on a Saturday are Diamonds? I had a paid C+ seat, but it was a cheap fare.
#13
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Not a diamond but platinum here. We are typically around 6-10 on upgrade lists from MSP to various locations, recently though we have been around 30-40. Quite a dramatic downgrade that happened suddenly around October 1st. Our reasoning is though we canceled our Delta credit card. I didnt realize how much of a difference that may have made.
#14
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Not a diamond but platinum here. We are typically around 6-10 on upgrade lists from MSP to various locations, recently though we have been around 30-40. Quite a dramatic downgrade that happened suddenly around October 1st. Our reasoning is though we canceled our Delta credit card. I didnt realize how much of a difference that may have made.
#15
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Yeah Ive had much lower rates of upgrades and now often no where near the top including a #24 as a Diamond after all the upgrades had been processed