Earning Status on AF Ticket Help

Old Oct 9, 19, 1:40 pm
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Question Earning Status on AF Ticket Help

Hi, tried looking on delta.com, but I couldn't see anything about minimum earnings on Air France.

Itinerary and booking classes are:
  • LHR-CDG (J)
  • CDG-SFO (F)
  • SFO-CDG (F)
  • CDG-LHR (J)
Ticket cost: ~$US 5,500 all in. Purchased through Amex Travel, ticketed on AF stock with AF ticket number.

I think the long-hauls will be 5,583 miles X 200% each, for 22,333 MQM. Is this correct?

Will the J class short-hauls be 1,000 each which is the 500 minimum X 200%, for 2,000 MQM total?

That would be 24,333 MQM total, right?

Lastly, how will the MQD be done? The $5,500 X 60% = 3,300 MQD? Do they include any taxes and fees in that? Will the calculate the short-haul segments separately at 40%, even though this is one ticket booked on "F" fare basis?

Any help would be appreciated!

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Old Oct 9, 19, 1:45 pm
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MQD's are calculated based on percentage of distance, not ticket cost. Multiply the base distance by 40% on J class flights and 60% on F class flights. It is the actual booking class on the flights that matters (not the fare basis code). Booking class will often differ from fare basis code.

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Old Oct 9, 19, 1:54 pm
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MQD's are calculated based on percentage of distance, not ticket cost. Multiply the base distance by 40% on J class flights and 60% on F class flights. It is the actual booking class on the flights that matters (not the fare basis code). Booking class will often differ from fare basis code.
OK thanks! Is there a 500 mile minimum on the LHR-CDG "distances" for calculating MQD?
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Old Oct 9, 19, 1:57 pm
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OK thanks! Is there a 500 mile minimum on the LHR-CDG "distances" for calculating MQD?
I'm not sure about the MQD calculation. The partner earning page on delta.com for AF does mention a 500 MQM minimum in the footnotes.
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Old Oct 9, 19, 2:05 pm
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I'm not sure about the MQD calculation. The partner earning page on delta.com for AF does mention a 500 MQM minimum in the footnotes.
Thanks!

So by my math, assuming no 500 minimum for the short-hauls, it's 6,872 MQD for this ticket! Enough for Gold! Does that sound right?

Anyone know about my mileage question, if the 500 minimum MQM for the short-hauls is doubled b/c of J class?
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Old Oct 9, 19, 2:19 pm
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Thanks!
Anyone know about my mileage question, if the 500 minimum MQM for the short-hauls is doubled b/c of J class?
I had a DL-ticketed, AF/Hop-operated CDG-ZRH segment on a Premium Class ticket, and it earned 150% MQM for 750 total MQM, so presumably you should earn 200% MQM.
Fare class printed on boarding pass was Y/Economy, the overseas flight was W/Premium Economy.
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Old Oct 9, 19, 2:23 pm
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I had a DL-ticketed, AF/Hop-operated CDG-ZRH segment on a Premium Class ticket, and it earned 150% MQM for 750 total MQM, so presumably you should earn 200% MQM.
Fare class printed on boarding pass was Y/Economy, the overseas flight was W/Premium Economy.
OK thanks.
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Old Oct 9, 19, 8:42 pm
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There is no minimum for MQDs, but you will get 1000 MQMs on the short haul booked in J class.
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Old Oct 10, 19, 4:25 am
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There is no minimum for MQDs, but you will get 1000 MQMs on the short haul booked in J class.
Thanks, so this ticket will get me enough for Gold on MQD's and <1,000 MPM short of Silver. Sound right?
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Originally Posted by BlooJoo View Post
Hi, tried looking on delta.com, but I couldn't see anything about minimum earnings on Air France.

Itinerary and booking classes are:
  • LHR-CDG (J)
  • CDG-SFO (F)
  • SFO-CDG (F)
  • CDG-LHR (J)
Ticket cost: ~$US 5,500 all in. Purchased through Amex Travel, ticketed on AF stock with AF ticket number.

I think the long-hauls will be 5,583 miles X 200% each, for 22,333 MQM. Is this correct?

Will the J class short-hauls be 1,000 each which is the 500 minimum X 200%, for 2,000 MQM total?

That would be 24,333 MQM total, right?

Lastly, how will the MQD be done? The $5,500 X 60% = 3,300 MQD? Do they include any taxes and fees in that? Will the calculate the short-haul segments separately at 40%, even though this is one ticket booked on "F" fare basis?

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks,
-BlooJoo
Are you sure this is a (FULL) J and (FULL) F RT TATL ticket for only $5,500 (even with the IAP discount)? I would expect to see a fare that's three times as much as you paid. OTOH I see that you're starting in Europe and not taking a nonstop, so that could make a difference.
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Old Oct 10, 19, 12:23 pm
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Are you sure this is a (FULL) J and (FULL) F RT TATL ticket for only $5,500 (even with the IAP discount)? I would expect to see a fare that's three times as much as you paid. OTOH I see that you're starting in Europe and not taking a nonstop, so that could make a difference.
Where did I say it was "full F"? Of course it's not, since F isn't full fare on AF. P is. It's a discounted First Class fare, which utilizes J booking class on two-class equipment.
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Old Oct 10, 19, 1:08 pm
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Thanks, so this ticket will get me enough for Gold on MQD's and <1,000 MPM short of Silver. Sound right?
Yes, I'm also getting ~24,333 MQMs and 6,872 MQDs, although that's based on GCMap.com distances, what DL/AF uses might be slightly different, but probably no more than a 1% variance.

As I'm sure you're aware though, you won't get Gold status until you meet the requirements for both MQDs and MQMs.
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Old Oct 10, 19, 1:11 pm
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Yes, I'm also getting ~24,333 MQMs and 6,872 MQDs, although that's based on GCMap.com distances, what DL/AF uses might be slightly different, but probably no more than a 1% variance.

As I'm sure you're aware though, you won't get Gold status until you meet the requirements for both MQDs and MQMs.
Thanks, yeah. I'd like to shoot for Gold though. So I'll need ANOTHER ~25K+ for Gold by 12/31?
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
Are you sure this is a (FULL) J and (FULL) F RT TATL ticket for only $5,500 (even with the IAP discount)? I would expect to see a fare that's three times as much as you paid. OTOH I see that you're starting in Europe and not taking a nonstop, so that could make a difference.
As mentioned, P is the "higher" fare class on Air France, F is more capacity controlled. That said, Skymiles earnings is the same on both.
Mid-$5k is not unusual ex-Europe (non-CDG), but you usually need ~90 days advance purchase and Saturday/7-night stay (and F booking inventory of course). Ex-US is harder to find at that level, I see some ~$6k fares (NY to FCO/MAD/LHR in April 2020), but usually $7-8k r/t. And of course, closer-in, or in P inventory, you're generally looking at $10-15k.
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Old Oct 10, 19, 4:20 pm
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As mentioned, P is the "higher" fare class on Air France, F is more capacity controlled. That said, Skymiles earnings is the same on both.
Mid-$5k is not unusual ex-Europe (non-CDG), but you usually need ~90 days advance purchase and Saturday/7-night stay (and F booking inventory of course). Ex-US is harder to find at that level, I see some ~$6k fares (NY to FCO/MAD/LHR in April 2020), but usually $7-8k r/t. And of course, closer-in, or in P inventory, you're generally looking at $10-15k.
I'm on an odd ticket. No AP requirement, however ONLY 4 days allowed at destination. Totally bizarre. But a quick turnarounder's dream!
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