Passenger With No ID Or Boarding Pass Sneaks Onto DL Flight
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Exactly my thought. Wonder if it's the insane wacko Marilyn Hartman again? She should have been jailed or institutionalized for life a long time ago I have zero sympathy or care in situations like this. Here's the backstory on Hartmann. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/u...are-plane.html
I'd bet $100 it's her again, sounds like her M.O.
I'd bet $100 it's her again, sounds like her M.O.
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Exactly my thought. Wonder if it's the insane wacko Marilyn Hartman again? She should have been jailed or institutionalized for life a long time ago I have zero sympathy or care in situations like this. Here's the backstory on Hartmann. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/u...are-plane.html
I'd bet $100 it's her again, sounds like her M.O.
I'd bet $100 it's her again, sounds like her M.O.
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I don't know why having clear would have any impact on this, nor why when you paid for precheck matter at all.
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At larger airports they always had a person make you show ticket, ID before you could even enter the security line. They really didnt look that closely at the ticket.
Years back you couldnt even access a terminal concourse if you werent flying out of that facility.
Remember the move Airport how Helen Hayes got on that plane. That was way before 9/11.
Years back you couldnt even access a terminal concourse if you werent flying out of that facility.
Remember the move Airport how Helen Hayes got on that plane. That was way before 9/11.
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I dont think you actually need any photo ID to get through TSA. It just requires more screening. Ive been through using a void photo ID a few times without an issue. Just some extra paperwork and youre good to go.
Also Ive witnessed people not properly get scanned on to a flight when the boarding process gets hectic due to gate lice.
This is what happens when you pay bottom of the barrel wages and get bottom of the barrel employees or people do not give a damn.
Also Ive witnessed people not properly get scanned on to a flight when the boarding process gets hectic due to gate lice.
This is what happens when you pay bottom of the barrel wages and get bottom of the barrel employees or people do not give a damn.
Thanks for trying though.
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Huh? Pre 9-11 you could enter the concourse if you weren't traveling. You would just pass through security as if you were a passenger. Used to do it many times picking up/dropping off friends/relatives.
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With CLEAR, the machine recognizes you without a boarding pass and your flight info pops up on the screen now. I'm not sure you would need to have a physical boarding pass to go through security with CLEAR, just a ticket for travel that day at the airport, especially if you weren't claiming to have PreCheck. You definitely do not normally show an ID with CLEAR.
ADDED: Just today the CLEAR machine didn't require a boarding pass barcode scan. I had my boarding pass in hand, but it didn't seem to matter as everything popped up on the CLEAR screen.
The point is that at least some people can get through TSA airport security without having either a (physical) ID or a boarding pass, although presumably the boarding pass (or an electronic version) is needed at the gate to board.
ADDED: Just today the CLEAR machine didn't require a boarding pass barcode scan. I had my boarding pass in hand, but it didn't seem to matter as everything popped up on the CLEAR screen.
The point is that at least some people can get through TSA airport security without having either a (physical) ID or a boarding pass, although presumably the boarding pass (or an electronic version) is needed at the gate to board.
Last edited by MSPeconomist; Oct 6, 19 at 7:20 pm
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With CLEAR, the machine recognizes you without a boarding pass and your flight info pops up on the screen now. I'm not sure you would need to have a physical boarding pass to go through security with CLEAR, just a ticket for travel that day at the airport, especially if you weren't claiming to have PreCheck. You definitely do not normally show an ID with CLEAR.
ADDED: Just today the CLEAR machine didn't require a boarding pass barcode scan. I had my boarding pass in hand, but it didn't seem to matter as everything popped up on the CLEAR screen.
The point is that at least some people can get through TSA airport security without having either a (physical) ID or a boarding pass, although presumably the boarding pass (or an electronic version) is needed at the gate to board.
ADDED: Just today the CLEAR machine didn't require a boarding pass barcode scan. I had my boarding pass in hand, but it didn't seem to matter as everything popped up on the CLEAR screen.
The point is that at least some people can get through TSA airport security without having either a (physical) ID or a boarding pass, although presumably the boarding pass (or an electronic version) is needed at the gate to board.
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As much as I want to be annoyed with the gate agents, and the TSA... I can't really. This person didn't seem to have malicious intent (have weapons, ect) nor did the flight take off. So other than inconvenience to pax, what real harm happened?
Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't have happened, but it seems to be an overreaction.
Also I can see someone, usually a DYKWIA acting like they own the place and marching down the jetway despite the GA protesting. The GA may have noticed and was planning on dealing with it. As much as I hate to defend the GA in ATL, it seems to me that they should be given the benefit of the doubt.
Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't have happened, but it seems to be an overreaction.
Also I can see someone, usually a DYKWIA acting like they own the place and marching down the jetway despite the GA protesting. The GA may have noticed and was planning on dealing with it. As much as I hate to defend the GA in ATL, it seems to me that they should be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Bureau of Labor Statistics has a different mean, that of $40,960.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/2017/may/oes339093.htm
You can look at the USAgov site to look at salaries.
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Exactly my thought. Wonder if it's the insane wacko Marilyn Hartman again? She should have been jailed or institutionalized for life a long time ago I have zero sympathy or care in situations like this. Here's the backstory on Hartmann. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/u...are-plane.html
I'd bet $100 it's her again, sounds like her M.O.
I'd bet $100 it's her again, sounds like her M.O.