AF FA said use 2K + train for M28, red vest stopped me!
Sep 27, 2019, 4:57 am
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Sep 27, 2019, 5:03 am
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This sentence caught me, are you suggesting that eu check your passport in Athens and then let you mingle with domestic (Schengen) passengers For hours before boarding a connection in Paris. Sounds like your frustration is clouding your logic.
IME some airports like to channel you through the one single path to your destination. Others let you roam free through terminals and security as you wish. It may be a law of France, it may be a policy of CDG, it may be an overzealous employee. Or maybe they just thought they were actually helping you.
Seems mountains and mole hills to me
Sep 27, 2019, 8:09 am
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This sentence caught me, are you suggesting that eu check your passport in Athens and then let you mingle with domestic (Schengen) passengers For hours before boarding a connection in Paris. Sounds like your frustration is clouding your logic.
IME some airports like to channel you through the one single path to your destination. Others let you roam free through terminals and security as you wish. It may be a law of France, it may be a policy of CDG, it may be an overzealous employee. Or maybe they just thought they were actually helping you.
Seems mountains and mole hills to me
IME some airports like to channel you through the one single path to your destination. Others let you roam free through terminals and security as you wish. It may be a law of France, it may be a policy of CDG, it may be an overzealous employee. Or maybe they just thought they were actually helping you.
Seems mountains and mole hills to me
The EU line and the one that used scanners had few problems and they eventually moved several of us to the EU line.
Remember, my frustration reflected a tight connection, a late flight, and DL telling me if I did not get to the gate I was screwed.
Sep 27, 2019, 8:10 am
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Somehow I don't recall connecting westbound at CDG to be that terrible. The last time I was there was two years ago, on a WAW-CDG-IAD trip. The flight from WAW parked at a gate in 2F; we followed the signed route and we reached EU passport exit control; we got through that in 90 seconds; there was basically no line. The onward aircraft for IAD was parked at something like K38. We enjoyed the big AF salon in the lower level of the K concourse (the one that looks like a Washington DC Metro station).
Sep 27, 2019, 8:14 am
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When transiting at CDG, ALWAYS follow the signs, they will take you through the most convenient route to your departure gate. I don't see how an AF flight attendant would be in a position to recommend any transit path since they don't even walk around from one concourse to another, they are transported on a mini bus. In your case, following the directions would have sent you to 2E-L through the walkway between 2F and 2E-L and after clearing passport control, you could take the bus to 2M.
Sep 27, 2019, 9:32 am
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Sep 27, 2019, 11:39 am
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Wut?
The comment about exit immigration is spot on. The policy you dislike at CDG doesn't exist at USA airports because it is impossible for it to exist - the US has no exit immigration lines at all thus there isn't anything to enforce regarding which passport lines you can and cannot use.
The comment about exit immigration is spot on. The policy you dislike at CDG doesn't exist at USA airports because it is impossible for it to exist - the US has no exit immigration lines at all thus there isn't anything to enforce regarding which passport lines you can and cannot use.
Sep 27, 2019, 11:42 am
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OP: One option would be to exit 2F as if you're terminating in Paris, take the landside pedestrian bridges across the highway to 2E-K, and then enter from landside as if you were originating in Paris. The downside to that route is that you would have to reclear security, but no one can stop you from doing it.
(And I'm pretty sure if your original plan had succeeded, you would have had to reclear security when you got off the train at M anyway, because the train is in the international zone but not the secure zone.)
But I agree that the passport control lines for the 2F->2E-L-M checkpoint are always a mess, so personally I'd just give up on them and try the landside route.
(And I'm pretty sure if your original plan had succeeded, you would have had to reclear security when you got off the train at M anyway, because the train is in the international zone but not the secure zone.)
But I agree that the passport control lines for the 2F->2E-L-M checkpoint are always a mess, so personally I'd just give up on them and try the landside route.
Sep 27, 2019, 11:58 am
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What is being discussed is the EXIT immigration that is supposedly a mess in 2E-L/M. [I have no comment on that other than my single transfer that way which was smooth].
There are real reasons why they will restrict access to departure terminals for some. You do not want somebody clearing exit immigration into a departure hall from which they must re-enter the country in order to catch the flight.
In this case though, K/L/M are all one, so no real reason for the police to insist on which one you use.
EDIT: I see you were talking about your case which was different from OP's. So ignore this in that context, but it still holds for earlier posts.
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Sep 27, 2019, 12:18 pm
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Given these factors, I would then ask that the 5 rows at 2E-M be enlarged to 20 with the corresponding number of agents to manage the crowds.
The EU line and the one that used scanners had few problems and they eventually moved several of us to the EU line.
Remember, my frustration reflected a tight connection, a late flight, and DL telling me if I did not get to the gate I was screwed.
The EU line and the one that used scanners had few problems and they eventually moved several of us to the EU line.
Remember, my frustration reflected a tight connection, a late flight, and DL telling me if I did not get to the gate I was screwed.
And in CDG you have a SP line
Sep 27, 2019, 12:22 pm
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I landed in 2E back in January and had an onward connection out of 2F. I wanted to use the better lounges at E but the red vest at passport refused me. It seems you're only allowed entry to the passport lines of the terminal which you are next departing. stupid policy if you ask me.
Neither EWR nor JFK have this policy.
Neither EWR nor JFK have this policy.
In some airports you could handle this by just acting as an I-I transit and going straight to the lounge w/o any passport control. Then later returning to arrival level to enter the country. But as weird as CDG is, I could see why they would not allow that (even if you tried it).
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Sep 27, 2019, 12:39 pm
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I've spent 2+ hours at CDG on the SkyPriority line in the past, when arriving on the early JFK flight (AF23) and before things were streamlined with the new e-gates. It's fair to assume that this is a thing from the past, but from time to time, and especially when school vacation periods are over and not many PAF officers are in the booths.
Sep 27, 2019, 4:01 pm
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What is at stake for me is that I may shy away from using CDG on the return and stick with AMS with starting the day at places like ATH.
GE works wonders for me at ATL - although one can be stalled if waiting for luggage - but I wonder if mobile passport line would work for you in ATL or even some of the Kiosks available in the non-USA passport line.
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Sep 27, 2019, 4:04 pm
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I've spent 2+ hours at CDG on the SkyPriority line in the past, when arriving on the early JFK flight (AF23) and before things were streamlined with the new e-gates. It's fair to assume that this is a thing from the past, but from time to time, and especially when school vacation periods are over and not many PAF officers are in the booths.