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Man Charged With Stealing 42 million DL SkyMiles

Man Charged With Stealing 42 million DL SkyMiles

Old Sep 16, 19, 10:31 am
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Wasn't DL insisting on employment verification for SkyBonus at some point a couple years ago, so that sole proprietors could no longer keep their accounts active by using travel by five or so family members who weren't genuinely working for and being paid by the company?
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Old Sep 16, 19, 8:46 pm
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Originally Posted by mecabq View Post
Wire fraud or mail fraud is what they charge you for when they can't come up with a real crime.
Fraud is a very real crime; the mail/wire part is necessary for federal court jurisdiction.
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Old Sep 26, 19, 11:27 am
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FBI should be spending time catching terrorists and other national security issues not being Delta Airlines private security guards paid by tax payers.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...11/2370342001/
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Old Sep 26, 19, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by Centurion View Post
FBI should be spending time catching terrorists and other national security issues not being Delta Airlines private security guards paid by tax payers.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...11/2370342001/

Absolutely. Chasing someone for breaking the rules of a private company's loyalty program, and for "theft" of something that is basically monopoly money cannot be taking priority!
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Old Dec 11, 19, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by jdrtravel View Post
Absolutely. Chasing someone for breaking the rules of a private company's loyalty program, and for "theft" of something that is basically monopoly money cannot be taking priority!

Any news about this guy ? I hope he got away with it.

I agree. It seems US law enforcement is pretty trigger happy about labeling and prosecuting "fraud" when corporations are affected, and do nothing when corporations abuse consumers with arbitrary actions such as devaluations, shutting down people's accounts and taking away their points under arbitrary "any time, any reason, at our own discretion" terms.


Also, the related Flyertalk news article headline is pretty biased. It says the guy "stole" the points:
https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/t...-skymiles.html
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Old Dec 11, 19, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by yulsee View Post
Any news about this guy ? I hope he got away with it.
Really? What if it were your miles or property? Fraud is a crime. If you don't like that, write your congressperson. I'm sure they'll have a good laugh at your expense.

I'm fine with this person being prosecuted. It's better than everyone else's legally obtained miles losing more value because thieves are fraudulently acquiring miles.

Originally Posted by yulsee View Post
I agree. It seems US law enforcement is pretty trigger happy about labeling and prosecuting "fraud" when corporations are affected, and do nothing when corporations abuse consumers with arbitrary actions such as devaluations, shutting down people's accounts and taking away their points under arbitrary "any time, any reason, at our own discretion" terms.
So we should prosecute companies whose customers agree to their terms? For what exactly?

Originally Posted by yulsee View Post
Also, the related Flyertalk news article headline is pretty biased. It says the guy "stole" the points:
https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/t...-skymiles.html
"Fraudulently acquired" vs. "stole". Does it really matter in this discussion?
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Old Dec 11, 19, 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by yulsee View Post
Any news about this guy ? I hope he got away with it.

I agree. It seems US law enforcement is pretty trigger happy about labeling and prosecuting "fraud" when corporations are affected, and do nothing when corporations abuse consumers with arbitrary actions such as devaluations, shutting down people's accounts and taking away their points under arbitrary "any time, any reason, at our own discretion" terms.
This guy gets it. Of course, the corporate bootlicker contingent on FlyerTalk won't get it.
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Old Dec 11, 19, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by HDQDD View Post
Really? What if it were your miles or property? Fraud is a crime. If you don't like that, write your congressperson. I'm sure they'll have a good laugh at your expense.

I'm fine with this person being prosecuted. It's better than everyone else's legally obtained miles losing more value because thieves are fraudulently acquiring miles.



So we should prosecute companies whose customers agree to their terms? For what exactly
Marketing something (free flights) but not delivering. The unnegotiated one-sided arbitrary terms have no moral standing. You don't have a choice to shop elsewhere if all the providers in the industry have the same arbitrary terms. You are not free when corporations have so much power over your life and can refuse you service for any reason (insurance, transportation, telecommunications, ...).

It's a US problem. Corporations don't have that much free reigning power elsewhere

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Old Dec 11, 19, 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by yulsee View Post
Marketing something (free flights) but not delivering. The unnegotiated one-sided arbitrary terms have no moral standing. You don't have a choice to shop elsewhere if all the providers in the industry have the same arbitrary terms. You are not free when corporations have so much power over your life and can refuse you service for any reason (insurance, transportation, telecommunications, ...).
If you really think a company has violated its contract with you, contact a lawyer. You are absolutely free to choose whom you do business with. One of the many benefits of a free market. If you don't like the way DL runs it's FF program, you're free to buy 51% of their shares and change it.

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It's a US problem. Corporations don't have that much free reigning power elsewhere
Agreed socialist and communist companies have less power, but the trade off is that consumers often don't have (m)any choices. If you like communism, I suggest you move to a communist country. I'm sure they have awesome FF programs... Let us know how that goes.
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Old Dec 11, 19, 12:47 pm
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