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SFO Runway 28L Closure for 20 days starting Sept 7
Sep 10, 2019, 10:07 am
#46
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You should read my post above. I've been thru several previous rounds of SFO runway maintenance. The significant delays are usually limited to RJs. SFO delays are already factored into DL's schedule. I wouldn't expect much impact on DL's operation and I think it's likely you will arrive on time, or within 10 minutes or so (kinda like I said, the time to write this thread)
Sep 10, 2019, 10:35 am
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I'll never understand why anyone wants to fly into SFO unless they are going to anywhere between Redwood City and San Francisco. That airport has issues more often then not. Plus, the runway construction was known for a while and this airport can not handle a minor disturbance, let alone having half its runways out of service.
Sep 10, 2019, 10:50 am
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I'll never understand why anyone wants to fly into SFO unless they are going to anywhere between Redwood City and San Francisco. That airport has issues more often then not. Plus, the runway construction was known for a while and this airport can not handle a minor disturbance, let alone having half its runways out of service.
But alas in recent years pricing/routing/timing has made that harder for me to do on DL, leaving SFO as the next viable option for DL flights (with my final destination being in the east bay).
Sep 10, 2019, 10:56 am
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I'll never understand why anyone wants to fly into SFO unless they are going to anywhere between Redwood City and San Francisco. That airport has issues more often then not. Plus, the runway construction was known for a while and this airport can not handle a minor disturbance, let alone having half its runways out of service.
Sep 10, 2019, 11:03 am
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I'll never understand why anyone wants to fly into SFO unless they are going to anywhere between Redwood City and San Francisco. That airport has issues more often then not. Plus, the runway construction was known for a while and this airport can not handle a minor disturbance, let alone having half its runways out of service.
Fog delays in SFO are rarely worse than the time added to connect somewhere
That being said, DL1505 has been five hours late every day so far so I am mulling my options. The waiver isn't particularly helpful since I won't really know until day-of which flight will take me from MSP to the Bay Area around 6pm, and SDC would already give me last-seat availability to hop on something else.
Sep 10, 2019, 11:28 am
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https://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/
This is an all-scope (all US ATC centers) + Vancouver center ATC program ... so this is hardly an "RJ only" / west coast type of thing that they normally see. Everyone is sharing the pain. I had 2 JFK-SFO flights on Saturday that were both 3 hours late (and that's with a reduced Saturday schedule)
The really telling sign - if you can decipher it - click the FAA link above. 25 AAR (arrival rate per hour), then click on the ADVZY link for SFO (right now its #030 ). The effective time for this program is 101211 - 110859. That's the UTC date and time. 1211Z on the 10th until 0859Z on the 11th. So they came out with the GDP today at 511am Pacific Time, and its expected to end tomorrow at 159am Pacific Time. That's basically 21 straight hours of GDP. Even on bad days SFO usually cleans up by 9 or 10pm. What they are saying is that the delays are so bad, that there's still too much "demand" on the airport that they still need a GDP to control that flow ... at 2 in the freaking morning.
That is a really significant construction impact.
This is an all-scope (all US ATC centers) + Vancouver center ATC program ... so this is hardly an "RJ only" / west coast type of thing that they normally see. Everyone is sharing the pain. I had 2 JFK-SFO flights on Saturday that were both 3 hours late (and that's with a reduced Saturday schedule)
The really telling sign - if you can decipher it - click the FAA link above. 25 AAR (arrival rate per hour), then click on the ADVZY link for SFO (right now its #030 ). The effective time for this program is 101211 - 110859. That's the UTC date and time. 1211Z on the 10th until 0859Z on the 11th. So they came out with the GDP today at 511am Pacific Time, and its expected to end tomorrow at 159am Pacific Time. That's basically 21 straight hours of GDP. Even on bad days SFO usually cleans up by 9 or 10pm. What they are saying is that the delays are so bad, that there's still too much "demand" on the airport that they still need a GDP to control that flow ... at 2 in the freaking morning.
That is a really significant construction impact.
Sep 10, 2019, 11:43 am
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Within the last couple days, there was a SunCountry flight from SFO to MSP that was delayed for fourteen and a half hours, with passengers getting no information or help. Apparently it was scheduled to depart around midnight, got delayed, the crew timed out, and they finally left the next day around 2:30 pm.
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Sep 10, 2019, 11:49 am
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That's basically 21 straight hours of GDP. Even on bad days SFO usually cleans up by 9 or 10pm. What they are saying is that the delays are so bad, that there's still too much "demand" on the airport that they still need a GDP to control that flow ... at 2 in the freaking morning.
That is a really significant construction impact.
That is a really significant construction impact.
It has been even worse this week as SFO has seen strong westerly winds which have taken 1L out of service for hours at a time, reducing the entire airport to a single runway for all movements.
Within the last couple days, there was a SunCountry flight from SFO to MSP that was delayed for fourteen and a half hours, with passengers getting no information or help. Apparently it was scheduled to depend around midnight, got delayed, the crew timed out, and they finally left the next day around 2:30 pm.
Sep 10, 2019, 1:28 pm
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Waiver applied
Having read in today’s news that DL has improved its waiver terms I decided to hedge my bet and add an additional 2 hours to our layover in SEA and secure a couple of seats now on a later connection.
Phone wait time on the PL line was under 3 minutes. They’re still sorting this out, apparently, as initially a hefty fare difference charge was showing, and the agent had to do some work to get it done without charging fare difference. Waiver applied, even swap and got the instant C+ upgrade as well. I like these odds better and don’t mind a couple of extra hours in the SC should the originating flight arrive on schedule. ^
Phone wait time on the PL line was under 3 minutes. They’re still sorting this out, apparently, as initially a hefty fare difference charge was showing, and the agent had to do some work to get it done without charging fare difference. Waiver applied, even swap and got the instant C+ upgrade as well. I like these odds better and don’t mind a couple of extra hours in the SC should the originating flight arrive on schedule. ^
Sep 10, 2019, 1:33 pm
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I’m curious about that too given that the waiver looks like it only allows for rebooking to SFO at another time/flight (not sure how that really helps given that the airport faces constraints almost 24 hrs/day) and doesn’t seem to allow flexibility to fly to co-terminals of SFO. Will be interested to see if anyone is able to do that with the waiver.
Sep 10, 2019, 1:57 pm
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I’m curious about that too given that the waiver looks like it only allows for rebooking to SFO at another time/flight (not sure how that really helps given that the airport faces constraints almost 24 hrs/day) and doesn’t seem to allow flexibility to fly to co-terminals of SFO. Will be interested to see if anyone is able to do that with the waiver.
I kept my SFO departure but switched my connection out of SEA to a later one (my choice to do it that way), waiver applied, no additional costs, C+ upgrade received. As I mentioned in my previous post, this is all in flux atm, not all agents have the very latest info, but mine was very proactive and took care of us.
Sep 10, 2019, 2:10 pm
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I’m curious about that too given that the waiver looks like it only allows for rebooking to SFO at another time/flight (not sure how that really helps given that the airport faces constraints almost 24 hrs/day) and doesn’t seem to allow flexibility to fly to co-terminals of SFO. Will be interested to see if anyone is able to do that with the waiver.
Sep 10, 2019, 2:27 pm
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No MSP-OAK on DL but WN started the route before suspending it with the Max groundings. Presumably it'll come back when those are flying again.