8 hours on a remote stand at JFK
Aug 16, 2019, 3:56 pm
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On a side note - I’ve flown DL out of JFK hundreds of times and have never seen DL using buses/handstands for operations. What gate would they even use for that?
Aug 16, 2019, 4:51 pm
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So how does it work at a hard stand? Obviously there’s no jetbridge, so how does just opening the door help? It’s not like a passenger can go outside freely on the tarmac to walk around and get some fresh air and stretch their legs. It would take coordinating a bus to come get each passenger that wanted to deplane each time someone wanted off. That sounds like a nightmare logistically that I could see how DL kept these people on the plane unwillingly.
On a side note - I’ve flown DL out of JFK hundreds of times and have never seen DL using buses/handstands for operations. What gate would they even use for that?
They rarely use them. In fact the stairwells arent designed for passengers, they're partially spring loaded. I got stuck on A330 goin to one last Aug when my JFK/LAX flight taxied out, back to gate, out again, and pilots timed out before could take off. Gates were all full at all terminals due to it being a weather related grounding for all airline westbound flights.
Once bus is there I believe is when FAA considers the requirements met.
Aug 16, 2019, 8:33 pm
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Aug 16, 2019, 9:30 pm
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Aug 17, 2019, 12:26 pm
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One issue I have with FlyerTalk, as useful as it is, is that the aviation aficionados here forget that these are people who view airlines as merely a means of transportation who wish to get to their destination.
The "well the door was open" is a laughable rationalization in a hardstand situation. Where, exactly, were the pax supposed to go? How were they supposed to be rebooked?
Delta -- big time -- needs to make the right.
And, the entire U.S. airline industry needs far more accountability than it currently has.
The "well the door was open" is a laughable rationalization in a hardstand situation. Where, exactly, were the pax supposed to go? How were they supposed to be rebooked?
Delta -- big time -- needs to make the right.
And, the entire U.S. airline industry needs far more accountability than it currently has.
Aug 17, 2019, 1:25 pm
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The DOT need a separate category for Delta stats since they like to play fast and loose with on time stats. I guess Delta thinks it is cheaper to pay the fine than to do the right thing and cancel the flight and accommodate the passengers on other flights to MIA.
Aug 17, 2019, 1:45 pm
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I thought Delta is the one airline that stands head and shoulders above the others when it comes to irrops.
I can see this story in the AA forum, but surprised to see it here.
I can see this story in the AA forum, but surprised to see it here.
Aug 17, 2019, 6:05 pm
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Many of the JFK ground staff witnessed or were involved in the accident. The employee was a very popular 17 year JFK veteran who was well liked. A large number of ground staff were given time off. Delta flew several hundred employees in from other stations to cover the shortfall. It took time to get them there.
Aug 17, 2019, 7:10 pm
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It looks like this delay was the same day as that JFK ground crew accident. The accident reporting put the accident at around 3:30 PM at T4. And this flight was originally scheduled to take off at 3:58 PM and recorded going out of B18 (also T4).
No evidence to know if the initial delay to boarding by bus at 4:45 and door closure at 5:45 was due to the accident.
Certainly there could have been a serious degradation of ground crew performance the rest of that day.
No evidence to know if the initial delay to boarding by bus at 4:45 and door closure at 5:45 was due to the accident.
Certainly there could have been a serious degradation of ground crew performance the rest of that day.
Aug 18, 2019, 5:47 am
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It looks like this delay was the same day as that JFK ground crew accident. The accident reporting put the accident at around 3:30 PM at T4. And this flight was originally scheduled to take off at 3:58 PM and recorded going out of B18 (also T4).
No evidence to know if the initial delay to boarding by bus at 4:45 and door closure at 5:45 was due to the accident.
Certainly there could have been a serious degradation of ground crew performance the rest of that day.
No evidence to know if the initial delay to boarding by bus at 4:45 and door closure at 5:45 was due to the accident.
Certainly there could have been a serious degradation of ground crew performance the rest of that day.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...171516712.html
Aug 18, 2019, 5:52 am
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Many of the JFK ground staff witnessed or were involved in the accident. The employee was a very popular 17 year JFK veteran who was well liked. A large number of ground staff were given time off. Delta flew several hundred employees in from other stations to cover the shortfall. It took time to get them there.
Aug 18, 2019, 6:26 am
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Several hundred employees were flown in? Pardon my ignorance but how could employees from different stations just fill in at an operation like JFK? Wouldn’t there need to be training first since it’s such a large station and other employees wouldn’t be familiar with the layout of the aprons, gates, buildings, etc?
Aug 18, 2019, 6:38 am
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In total Delta moved over 300 temp employees to JFK for this tragic accident.
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