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DTW Gates C28 and Beyond
I had extra time this week at the Detroit airport. In the C terminal for outbound flights the last C gate is 27. There are doors that go beyond that that are closed off with signs that alarms will go off in you enter. There appear to be valid gates of C-28 and beyond and there were even a couple of regional jets parked at them.
My question is what are these gates for? My guess would be that they are for Delta Connection inbound flights from Canada where you need to go through passport control, but then I don't see where those people reenter the airport for connection flights. Is there another tunnel to the A terminal for passport control? In years past (can't remember seeing them lately) you would see small jets (presumably inbound from Canada) at the A terminal gates that are setup to directly you downstairs for international arrivals. Any insights would be great. Thanks in advance |
Originally Posted by boatnfish
(Post 31224020)
I had extra time this week at the Detroit airport. In the C terminal for outbound flights the last C gate is 27. There are doors that go beyond that that are closed off with signs that alarms will go off in you enter. There appear to be valid gates of C-28 and beyond and there were even a couple of regional jets parked at them.
My question is what are these gates for? My guess would be that they are for Delta Connection inbound flights from Canada where you need to go through passport control, but then I don't see where those people reenter the airport for connection flights. Is there another tunnel to the A terminal for passport control? In years past (can't remember seeing them lately) you would see small jets (presumably inbound from Canada) at the A terminal gates that are setup to directly you downstairs for international arrivals. Any insights would be great. Thanks in advance |
They’re not used for passenger service. As Delta upgauged and retired the turboprops, they needed fewer of the small plane gates, so the terminal was closed off. Similarly at MSP, they only use the B gates closest to the runway, and not the B gates across the concourse that face the A concourse. |
Originally Posted by boatnfish
(Post 31224020)
I had extra time this week at the Detroit airport. In the C terminal for outbound flights the last C gate is 27. There are doors that go beyond that that are closed off with signs that alarms will go off in you enter. There appear to be valid gates of C-28 and beyond and there were even a couple of regional jets parked at them.
My question is what are these gates for? My guess would be that they are for Delta Connection inbound flights from Canada where you need to go through passport control, but then I don't see where those people reenter the airport for connection flights. Is there another tunnel to the A terminal for passport control? In years past (can't remember seeing them lately) you would see small jets (presumably inbound from Canada) at the A terminal gates that are setup to directly you downstairs for international arrivals. Any insights would be great. Thanks in advance All DTW flights from Canada preclear US Customs and immigration in Canada so upon arrival in DTW they are treated like a domestic flight. |
DL used to have 200+ daily flights on 50-seaters out of DTW. They are now down to 86. You don't need 40+ gates to handle 86 daily flights so they walled off the last 16 gates a few years ago leaving them with roughly 25 gates in the C concourse.
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As said, they walled-off the north end of Concourse C in 2016 due to the reduction in 50-seat RJ departures. They still will use the gates to hardstand park aircraft for spares/maintenance/overnight parking but they do not use that section of the concourse for passenger use.
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Originally Posted by DTWflyer
(Post 31224388)
As said, they walled-off the north end of Concourse C in 2016 due to the reduction in 50-seat RJ departures. They still will use the gates to hardstand park aircraft for spares/maintenance/overnight parking but they do not use that section of the concourse for passenger use.
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
(Post 31224597)
Was there a benefit to walking it off? Seems like in a pinch it'd be better to have a few extra gates.
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Originally Posted by Lux Flyer
(Post 31224887)
Reduced maintenance required for the area, less environmental/lighting demands since it's not public facing, reduced security patrols, stop passengers wandering and getting lost in an area with no/minimal staff to provide assistance. Can also potentially function as a storage area. Test area for new gate/airport flow layouts. Disaster planning/drills. Plenty of potential reasons, that's just a list of what came to me in 60 seconds or so.
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I can't see Delta turning it into anything else. Eventually they may add enough flights that they need these gates. It's possible they reconfigure it for larger planes, but its not like they seem to be wanting for gates at DTW.
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Some posts I've made about DTW / Concourse C on another forum:
1) Master Plan - the master plan was recently updated in 2017. This is a comprehensive study based on short, medium, and long-term planning used to forecast and project infrastructure needs and determine how best to invest in said infrastructure. Within the Master Plan, it outline options from a sub-committee involving DL in 2016 for the re-development of Concourse C. Two options were proposed to expand the gates to be able to accommodate CRJ-900 & 717-sized aircraft. One option was to fill-in the nodes to expand the hold-rooms, the other option was to fill-in the nodes to relocate concession space. The construction costs ranged from $90-$120 M for either option. At this time, there is no current need to add more gates so its not even planned or funded. This is simply a long-term option if the need ever transpires to re-activate or need additional CR9/717 sized gates. The long-term forecasts and guidance by DL currently do not indicate they need to do so. 2) History of Concourse C The midfield terminal for DTW was planned and designed for NW and where the industry was at in the mid/late '90s, which included a few major things that aburptly changed in the early 2000s; One was post-9/11 security requirements which had all the concessions post-security and the need to expand security checkpoint square footage and capacity. Two, was that Concourse C was designed at the time more like CVG Concourse C with a common hold-room and corridor to loading bridges. Right around this time is when the RJ-arms-race began with AA being a big PR piece about going "all-jet" at ORD, DL at CVG making a big splash about the same, and NW was a bit late to the RJ-race, partially in part of what led to the 1998 pilots strike and eventually cave in scope restrictions. Either way, starting a few years after opening the terminal, Concourse B was extended, and Concourse C was rebuilt into its current-state opening in 2005. 3) Gate Utilization at DTW DL at DTW significantly under-utilizes the gates, they have no need to add additional gates and there is no need in the current environment to rebuild the Concourse C gates. For example there are CR2/7/9s parking on A-gates and if the need ever transpired, they could easily push those out to B/C and so forth. |
And also:
There is no currently no firm plan to do anything in the short to mid-term with the shuttered portion of Concourse C, other than to use the gates for DCI hardstand / RON parking and GSE storage/staging area. When DL initially proposed to shutter the north-end of Concourse C a few years ago one option was to demolish the closed portion, but the WCAA's decision firmly was no. DL had to take a write-down on the shutter portion of the terminal that still wasn't depreciated. The airport did fill-in the ramp area north of Concourse C to make an area for DL to use for hardstand / RON parking, which was needed, particularly since the 4R de-ice pad has been used for that purpose, but they can't during de-icing ops. Concourse C is still used fairly extensively, but its a function of the highly-banked nature of DTW. In particular, during the larger banks during the big morning departure bank from 8:30-9:30, and also during the big evening departure banks at 5pm and 8pm that have significant number of CRJ-200 departures. In the early-evening, not uncommon for almost every gate on C to be used. Middle of the day the departure banks are much smaller and they don't need to use much of C. Gate utilization is pretty low though, and I'd guess the numbers are somewhere around 3-4 departures a day on average. They have reconfigured several of the gates on C to fit CR7 or CR9 sized aircraft, but respacing and removing about every 3rd or 4th gate on each side. Some of the gates, particularly the ones that are attached to the old ground-level hold room are CRJ-200 only gates. In the most recent master plan, there are options proposed to how they could repurpose Concourse C to fit larger aircraft if the demand ever makes it necessary. Essentially, the preffered option would be to fill-in the "nodes" between the gate pods to make for expanded hold rooms and concession areas and reconfigure the parking positions to fit up to 717 sized aircraft. However, there is no plan to do and the demand in the near term doesn't justify doing so. TL/DR - Concourse C is still needed in reduced capacity and no plans to do anything diffferent than status-quo at this time. |
They closed the Fuddruckers in the C gates at DTW.
It will simply never be the same. I try to stick to the A gates or go through MSP. The lounge in C is materially nicer than A though... |
I had no idea they closed down those gates. I haven’t been in Terminal C in ages, and it is hardly a place one goes “just to visit”.... Worries me, is a CVG like demolition next? Is terminal C really even needed? Shame they couldn’t have relocated some other airlines into that terminal. Some of us have fond memories of seeing not just Delta, but also Continental and NorthWest AirLines in the terminal. |
Originally Posted by cfabar1
(Post 31227185)
I had no idea they closed down those gates. I haven’t been in Terminal C in ages, and it is hardly a place one goes “just to visit”.... Worries me, is a CVG like demolition next? Is terminal C really even needed? Shame they couldn’t have relocated some other airlines into that terminal. Some of us have fond memories of seeing not just Delta, but also Continental and NorthWest AirLines in the terminal. |
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