Originally Posted by TuxTom
(Post 31005274)
I'm honestly surprised with the number of people claiming 'bad backs' saying that full recline is the only way they're comfortable. My experience has been the total opposite because full recline leads to a more slouched position and overall bad posture. This might relieve the pressure for a bit, but I will certainly feel it for days afterwards. I usually only recline partway because this seems to strike the best balance between good posture and comfort, so I'm all for 2" limits in Y.
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Originally Posted by 18sas
(Post 31005025)
Delta One seat recline doesn't impact the person behind or in front of you so there'd be no point.
Originally Posted by dalehill
(Post 31007344)
This is my experience as well, though I understand that it's likely a function of where in the spine the problem lies. I have classic L4-L5 herniated disc causing back pain and sciatica which is made much worse by slouching/reclining.
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Originally Posted by BenA
(Post 31005660)
As someone who in both cases thinks the airline should decide, I guess I’m in the circle. 787s with lockable window shades and hard shell premium economy or business seats are my jam. |
Originally Posted by Ceres
(Post 31002641)
It is also a little simplistic to say just because you want to play on your laptop, what I want is irrelevant.
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[QOTE=3Cforme;31001971]I don't believe that seat design is common across the AA narrowbody fleet.[/QUOTE]
Let me narrow it down to F cabin on 737 AA aircraft. Perhaps I should have done that. That's where I do most of my travel on AA. I only fly F cabin on AA and DL. On AA F cabin, the recliner gives up his/her space in front of him/her. The recline does not go straight back into the space of the person behind. IMHO, that's how it should be. I guess the only thing I can do is to appeal to the opinion of the subset of flyers who fly both DL and AA on 737 in F. There are sure to be a lot of them out there, and their opinion would be worth it to being heard. Thanks |
I fly DL SFO-JFK in the DL One cabin once a month and have not had a problem with recline, from anybody. They're all coffin seats. Makes for minimal stress for anybody.
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Originally Posted by FullFare
(Post 31015700)
Let me narrow it down to F cabin on 737 AA aircraft. Perhaps I should have done that. That's where I do most of my travel on AA. I only fly F cabin on AA and DL.
On AA F cabin, the recliner gives up his/her space in front of him/her. The recline does not go straight back into the space of the person behind. IMHO, that's how it should be. I guess the only thing I can do is to appeal to the opinion of the subset of flyers who fly both DL and AA on 737 in F. There are sure to be a lot of them out there, and their opinion would be worth it to being heard. Thanks There is no panacea for this issue. Some believe that if the airline didn't want their seat to recline, they wouldn't have put a button on the armrest which allows the seat to recline. Others fall in to the NoRAAA mindset: No Recline for Anyone Anywhere Anytime Like almost every other subject on FT, no one is going to change anyone's mind. |
Originally Posted by Qwkynuf
(Post 31008410)
But.... the airline *has* decided - they decided that the seats not only *should* recline, for the most part, but the level of recline should fall solely within the control of the person actually sitting in the seat. They could have easily (though not logically) put the recline button on the back of the seat so that the person behind could control it, but they *didn't* do so. Same with the window shade. The airlines have had 50+ years to fine tune a policy giving equal control of the shade to all member of a row (or even a cabin). But no airline that I have ever heard of has even gone so far as implementing a "majority rules" policy - so that if you are the lone open shade in an area, then you are required to fall in with the herd regardless of your desires. No airline that I know of has ever completely eliminated windows either - a move which would save an enormous amount of weight on every plane, saving them a gazillion bucks on fuel every year. I wonder why?
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Originally Posted by gmt4
(Post 30992811)
Another example of a Delta bad idea that UA and AA will feel compelled to follow in short order. Thanks.
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You've got the sequence wrong. AA - with its MAX 8 rollout (11/17) and now its Project Oasis 738 reconfiguration featured reduced recline in F and Y.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...2019-21-a.html |
Originally Posted by FullFare
(Post 31018644)
I have tried to follow the "logic", if any, of the elements in this post, but it has pretty much totally escaped me. That said, I agree with one element of it that nothing in it has changed my mind.
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Originally Posted by Auston
(Post 30992320)
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Originally Posted by emma dog
(Post 30996823)
I prefer to have the recline as is. I accept that the person in front of me may recline and I presume the person behind me knows I may recline. I think the recline in F is just sufficient. I use my 16” Dell laptop in e+ and f routinely and get a lot of work done. I haven’t had issues with people in front of me interfering. In regular economy, I can’t use my computer regardless of recline because the space is just too tight. I’m a 5’11”dude and my knees touch the seat in front when in regular economy. It doesn’t seem to be significantly worse when the person in front of me is reclined. I have a history of back issues and the reclined position is much more comfortable to me... 60-90 minutes is about my personal limit to sit upright without walking around or reclining. |
What happened to articulating recline seats which, when you recline, move your seat pan forward so you reduce your own knee room? I know I've had one of those recently on either an AA or UA flight.
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Originally Posted by jdrtravel
(Post 30992370)
Support this in main cabin, but not in C+ and certainly not in F. Delta needs to increase pitch in the domestic F fleet--this is one spot where DL falls behind other domestic carriers. First Class pax should be able to recline enough to take a nap or be reasonably comfortable on a red-eye.
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