LAX-MIA Route
Feb 23, 2019, 8:07 pm
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LAX-MIA Route
I recall flying this route a couple of times in the past year or two, but don't see it on the schedule this year. Has delta permanently dropped this route? Strange that they'd drop a route between two major markets, especially when they are trying to grow their presence at LAX and are spending upward of $2B for the terminal 2/3 renovation.
Feb 23, 2019, 9:29 pm
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I recall flying this route a couple of times in the past year or two, but don't see it on the schedule this year. Has delta permanently dropped this route? Strange that they'd drop a route between two major markets, especially when they are trying to grow their presence at LAX and are spending upward of $2B for the terminal 2/3 renovation.
I'm not sure if they have dropped it or not, but the terminal renovation has not, at least yet, added any capacity, thats a few years (at least) away.
Also, there are so many easy LAX-ATL-MIA connections that I'm not surprised that they would not prioritize this route. Also not sure I would call MIA a "major market" when it comes to LAX.
Feb 23, 2019, 11:29 pm
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I'm not sure if they have dropped it or not, but the terminal renovation has not, at least yet, added any capacity, thats a few years (at least) away.
Also, there are so many easy LAX-ATL-MIA connections that I'm not surprised that they would not prioritize this route. Also not sure I would call MIA a "major market" when it comes to LAX.
Also, there are so many easy LAX-ATL-MIA connections that I'm not surprised that they would not prioritize this route. Also not sure I would call MIA a "major market" when it comes to LAX.
Feb 24, 2019, 4:55 am
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It's not just AA on LAX-MIA. It's Alaska, Spirit, and JetBlue non-stop on LAX-FLL depressing average fares in the market. Good for passengers. Not so good trying to be the 5th carrier in the market.
Feb 24, 2019, 9:35 am
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The flight was often a red-eye (LAX-MIA) with V and X fares to be had until a week or two before departure, with the flight rarely sold out, so I'm sure that loads and profits on this route were poor.
Feb 24, 2019, 9:56 am
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I was wondering about this route as well. The times were actually decent for getting work done on either coast.
Feb 24, 2019, 2:26 pm
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Yep, I used to travel on the route for work trips to MIA. I think the timings shifted around quite a bit, and there was a time when there was a day flight from LAX-MIA departing around 10 am PT, and the return was an early 6-7 am out of MIA. The additional 3-4 hours it takes to connect in ATL is not ideal.
The reason I ask is that AA somehow manages to fly 3 non stops daily from LAX to ATL despite absolutely no onward connections from ATL. If Delta is serious about matching AA at LAX, I think they need to at least have a daily flight to a place like MIA.
The reason I ask is that AA somehow manages to fly 3 non stops daily from LAX to ATL despite absolutely no onward connections from ATL. If Delta is serious about matching AA at LAX, I think they need to at least have a daily flight to a place like MIA.
Feb 24, 2019, 2:31 pm
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Yep, I used to travel on the route for work trips to MIA. I think the timings shifted around quite a bit, and there was a time when there was a day flight from LAX-MIA departing around 10 am PT, and the return was an early 6-7 am out of MIA. The additional 3-4 hours it takes to connect in ATL is not ideal.
The reason I ask is that AA somehow manages to fly 3 non stops daily from LAX to ATL despite absolutely no onward connections from ATL. If Delta is serious about matching AA at LAX, I think they need to at least have a daily flight to a place like MIA.
The reason I ask is that AA somehow manages to fly 3 non stops daily from LAX to ATL despite absolutely no onward connections from ATL. If Delta is serious about matching AA at LAX, I think they need to at least have a daily flight to a place like MIA.
It's all about market demand. You may need LAX- MIA service but apparently not enough other DL pax do.
Also, if you are comfortable with a tight connection, the ATL connection only needs to add two hours, not three of four. This is just one of those cases where you need to decide if staying with DL or flying nonstop is more valuable.
Feb 24, 2019, 2:34 pm
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Absolutely right. I'm just wondering how AA is able to make 3 nonstop work daily to ATL, and DL can't even make one nonstop work to MIA. I would have thought that there would be enough domestic and onward connections for passengers from MIA (Sydney, ICN, HND, and other west coast) to make it work.
Feb 24, 2019, 3:42 pm
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Absolutely right. I'm just wondering how AA is able to make 3 nonstop work daily to ATL, and DL can't even make one nonstop work to MIA. I would have thought that there would be enough domestic and onward connections for passengers from MIA (Sydney, ICN, HND, and other west coast) to make it work.
All other primary TPAC and the majority of west coast can be accessed with one-stop on MIA - ATL / DTW / MSP - XYZ
Feb 24, 2019, 3:47 pm
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Yep, I used to travel on the route for work trips to MIA. I think the timings shifted around quite a bit, and there was a time when there was a day flight from LAX-MIA departing around 10 am PT, and the return was an early 6-7 am out of MIA. The additional 3-4 hours it takes to connect in ATL is not ideal.
The reason I ask is that AA somehow manages to fly 3 non stops daily from LAX to ATL despite absolutely no onward connections from ATL. If Delta is serious about matching AA at LAX, I think they need to at least have a daily flight to a place like MIA.
The reason I ask is that AA somehow manages to fly 3 non stops daily from LAX to ATL despite absolutely no onward connections from ATL. If Delta is serious about matching AA at LAX, I think they need to at least have a daily flight to a place like MIA.
Feb 24, 2019, 5:02 pm
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These all the AA flights from ATL. AA Mainline: Charlotte, Chicago–O'Hare, Dallas/Fort Worth, Miami, New York–LaGuardia, Philadelphia, Phoenix–Sky Harbor American Eagle:Charlotte, Chicago–O'Hare, Miami, New York–LaGuardia, Washington–National
Not sure how many folks would connect to NY, Philly, DCA, or Charlotte via ATL from LAX vs taking a direct flight?
Not sure how many folks would connect to NY, Philly, DCA, or Charlotte via ATL from LAX vs taking a direct flight?
Feb 24, 2019, 5:45 pm
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Absolutely right. I'm just wondering how AA is able to make 3 nonstop work daily to ATL, and DL can't even make one nonstop work to MIA. I would have thought that there would be enough domestic and onward connections for passengers from MIA (Sydney, ICN, HND, and other west coast) to make it work.
Feb 24, 2019, 5:55 pm
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Wait, what? That's news to Delta. LAX is definitely a hub (10M passengers/year). If it's not, then SEA is definitely not a hub (7M pax) and SLC probably isn't either (11M passengers/year).
Not every airport can be an 80M/year hub like Atlanta.
Not having LAX-MIA is just typical Delta revenue management. They won't run a money-losing route even if it connects two large cities. This is an endemic issue for a lot of their hubs. SEA doesn't service something like 5 or 6 of the largest US cities for the same reason (they're competitor hubs). Houston, Phoenix, Miami, and Chicago are the cities that Delta basically ignores from all of their "secondary" hubs.
Feb 24, 2019, 6:45 pm
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Also, all but maybe one AA LAX-MIA nonstop is either 737s or A320 types. Not great for a 6 hour flight. I was on a morning MIA-ATL AA flight and it seemed like quite a few people connecting from South American flights.