Delta A330-900neo Best Premium Select + Seats (Consolidated)
#46
Join Date: Nov 2010
Programs: HH, Asiana club, Elevated, Skymiles, Fairmont President's Club
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If we're comparing to the other west coast hubs (SFO, LAX) then I don't think your premise holds.
I don't think that's fair. DL always looks at the long term, not the immediate future (for example: their move at LAX which will cause 10 years of frustration but ultimately be a better long term plan).
In just a few years, they've built from a scratch a major new hub at SEA while kicking off the largest construction project in LAX history, and creating a new TPAC JV to boot. Not like they been sitting around twiddling their thumbs. This year brand new planes are coming into service at SEA, and next year new IAF facilities.
I don't think that's fair. DL always looks at the long term, not the immediate future (for example: their move at LAX which will cause 10 years of frustration but ultimately be a better long term plan).
In just a few years, they've built from a scratch a major new hub at SEA while kicking off the largest construction project in LAX history, and creating a new TPAC JV to boot. Not like they been sitting around twiddling their thumbs. This year brand new planes are coming into service at SEA, and next year new IAF facilities.
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#47
Join Date: Nov 2010
Programs: HH, Asiana club, Elevated, Skymiles, Fairmont President's Club
Posts: 41
#48
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SEA
Programs: UA Silver, BA Gold, DL Gold
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#49
Join Date: May 2009
Location: SEA
Programs: AS MVPG, DL FO, Marriott Gold, Hertz 5 Whatevers
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#50
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: PHX Sky Harbor
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DL can only do sooo much with the 4 339's they are receiving in 2019, some of the TPAC routes will need to wait until 2020 when more arrive. SEA-NRT gets one of the 339's (which barely is able to do it daily with one A/C). SEA-ICN and SEA-PVG aren't quite so lucky as the longer distance between the city pairs will need the remaining 3 A/C to cover the daily round trips. I'm sure that Delta will place priority on the SEA-PEK in early 2020. The next on the list (speculation) might then be the PDX-NRT pair - which then leaves the remaining Pacific B767-300ER routes staying on one side of the Pacific (which kinda doesn't work either as DL needs the continuation of those A/C moving around DL's system).
#52
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SJC/YUL
Programs: DL PM, Marriott Gold
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DL can only do sooo much with the 4 339's they are receiving in 2019, some of the TPAC routes will need to wait until 2020 when more arrive. SEA-NRT gets one of the 339's (which barely is able to do it daily with one A/C). SEA-ICN and SEA-PVG aren't quite so lucky as the longer distance between the city pairs will need the remaining 3 A/C to cover the daily round trips. I'm sure that Delta will place priority on the SEA-PEK in early 2020. The next on the list (speculation) might then be the PDX-NRT pair - which then leaves the remaining Pacific B767-300ER routes staying on one side of the Pacific (which kinda doesn't work either as DL needs the continuation of those A/C moving around DL's system).
But from there you went on about intra-Asia routes and flights to NRT, neither of which are likely be around much longer
#53
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
Programs: BMI Diamond Club Gold forever
Posts: 6,350
Delta had made many Delta One seats available on these ex-SEA routes when they were scheduled with the far less preferable 767-300's. They seem to have swapped the new plane in but left the copious award space, at least initially. I scored awards for SEA-PVG for 5 in Delta One, using VS miles, but that meant there were at least 5 low level D1 awards. There are still more showing on my date of travel. For some dates I was seeing 6 and 7 D1 awards available. For us it's a real win as we had CX awards out of YVR and would rather not drive up there and instead fly out of our home airport on a pretty much brand new plane. If you have AMEX MRs, it's only 60k plus a few bucks in taxes. We had moved a ton of MRs over during the last MR to VS promo so these awards have an effective cost of under 50k MRs per ticket. Strong redemption value for one of the best J products in the sky.
#54
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: midwest
Programs: DL PM, Marriott Gold
Posts: 920
I'm disappointed to see that C+ has only a 34" pitch on DL's 339s. At the stage lengths this aircraft will fly, and the price difference they'll likely want, three inches of extra pitch is crappy.
C+ is, as far as I can tell, pitched at 35" on all other long haul twin aisle aircraft in DLs fleet. Even the 75S (w/ D1) is at 35" v. 34 for the domestic 757s (and other single aisle aircraft). 34" is acceptable for three or four hours - and the domestic C+ doesn't have the increased recline (ie knee tightness and angle of IFE isn't as big an issue).
C+ is gonna feel squeezed. Poorly done, Delta.
C+ is, as far as I can tell, pitched at 35" on all other long haul twin aisle aircraft in DLs fleet. Even the 75S (w/ D1) is at 35" v. 34 for the domestic 757s (and other single aisle aircraft). 34" is acceptable for three or four hours - and the domestic C+ doesn't have the increased recline (ie knee tightness and angle of IFE isn't as big an issue).
C+ is gonna feel squeezed. Poorly done, Delta.
#55
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SJC/YUL
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I'm disappointed to see that C+ has only a 34" pitch on DL's 339s. At the stage lengths this aircraft will fly, and the price difference they'll likely want, three inches of extra pitch is crappy.
C+ is, as far as I can tell, pitched at 35" on all other long haul twin aisle aircraft in DLs fleet. Even the 75S (w/ D1) is at 35" v. 34 for the domestic 757s (and other single aisle aircraft). 34" is acceptable for three or four hours - and the domestic C+ doesn't have the increased recline (ie knee tightness and angle of IFE isn't as big an issue).
C+ is gonna feel squeezed. Poorly done, Delta.
C+ is, as far as I can tell, pitched at 35" on all other long haul twin aisle aircraft in DLs fleet. Even the 75S (w/ D1) is at 35" v. 34 for the domestic 757s (and other single aisle aircraft). 34" is acceptable for three or four hours - and the domestic C+ doesn't have the increased recline (ie knee tightness and angle of IFE isn't as big an issue).
C+ is gonna feel squeezed. Poorly done, Delta.
#56
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: DL PM, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 8,411
I'm disappointed to see that C+ has only a 34" pitch on DL's 339s. At the stage lengths this aircraft will fly, and the price difference they'll likely want, three inches of extra pitch is crappy.
C+ is, as far as I can tell, pitched at 35" on all other long haul twin aisle aircraft in DLs fleet. Even the 75S (w/ D1) is at 35" v. 34 for the domestic 757s (and other single aisle aircraft). 34" is acceptable for three or four hours - and the domestic C+ doesn't have the increased recline (ie knee tightness and angle of IFE isn't as big an issue).
C+ is gonna feel squeezed. Poorly done, Delta.
C+ is, as far as I can tell, pitched at 35" on all other long haul twin aisle aircraft in DLs fleet. Even the 75S (w/ D1) is at 35" v. 34 for the domestic 757s (and other single aisle aircraft). 34" is acceptable for three or four hours - and the domestic C+ doesn't have the increased recline (ie knee tightness and angle of IFE isn't as big an issue).
C+ is gonna feel squeezed. Poorly done, Delta.
#57
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: midwest
Programs: DL PM, Marriott Gold
Posts: 920
While I agree that loosing that inch is not ideal, we should be glad they've kept C+ in the long-haul fleet after bringing in Premium Select. Much of C+ long haul is probably being given away to medallions so it's probably not a huge money maker. They want people like you to buy Premium Select. Remember that PS only has 38" of pitch and they need to differentiate between the products to make the buy up have value.
I did sample PS on the A350 and I thought for the price I paid, it was a good value. That will vary from trip to trip and how it prices out. I've even paid up to J a couple times. I'm always flying on my own dime so it's got to hit the value mark (which is of course subjective and personal).
#58
Join Date: Nov 2010
Programs: HH, Asiana club, Elevated, Skymiles, Fairmont President's Club
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#59
Join Date: Nov 2010
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point taken, it was meant to compare $$$ for hard products on similar distance on popular Asian routes. A fare comparison on google flights after D1 on A330-900neo SEA-ICN replaces 767-300s is significantly higher on D1 than KE prestige suites.