DL 767 or VS 787 in C?
Feb 6, 2019, 5:48 pm
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DL 767 or VS 787 in C?
Not a fan of the VS herringbone. Not a fan of the DL 767 configuration. But I need to choose one.
LHR-SEA-LAX on VS
or
LHR-PDX-LAX on DL.
Thoughts?
LHR-SEA-LAX on VS
or
LHR-PDX-LAX on DL.
Thoughts?
Feb 6, 2019, 10:39 pm
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I think VS has more of an interesting and fun feel to it, from the lounge (the VS LHR lounge is among the very best business class lounges) to the food and bar in flight.
However, for daytime flights the 767 is consistently given better reviews on FT, especially if you are able to book the bulk head seats which have more room in the footwell. Biggest complaints about the 767 are more related to the flat bed function.
Another factor: how long are the layovers in PDX or SEA? The lounge situation at SEA is far superior to PDX with DL's new lounge there (it's now the best lounge in the Sky Club system).
However, for daytime flights the 767 is consistently given better reviews on FT, especially if you are able to book the bulk head seats which have more room in the footwell. Biggest complaints about the 767 are more related to the flat bed function.
Another factor: how long are the layovers in PDX or SEA? The lounge situation at SEA is far superior to PDX with DL's new lounge there (it's now the best lounge in the Sky Club system).
Feb 6, 2019, 11:53 pm
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Last couple of times whem I flew VS in J, I told myself never again (because I hate seat layout). But I made the same commitment to never fly DL 767 again (overall poor experience: seat, ambiance, tired cabin, terrible DL food).
So between the two evels, I would probably go with VS as this is a daytime flight I would want to enjoy experience, nice aircraft, bar, ambiance, food.
But if it was me, I would just save the money and take VS Premium Economy LHR-LAX for daytime flight, its a great product and nonstop would save you a few hours.
So between the two evels, I would probably go with VS as this is a daytime flight I would want to enjoy experience, nice aircraft, bar, ambiance, food.
But if it was me, I would just save the money and take VS Premium Economy LHR-LAX for daytime flight, its a great product and nonstop would save you a few hours.
Feb 7, 2019, 1:50 am
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Depending on which fare class you book, if you are in J/C/D (I think..) fare class directly ticketed and operated by Virgin, you would be eligible for chauffeur service which is quite a nice touch out of LHR. I was burned recently, on being booked in J class but since Delta issued the ticket as opposed to VS, did not get the transfer. Was a big bummer.
Feb 7, 2019, 7:41 am
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However, for daytime flights the 767 is consistently given better reviews on FT, especially if you are able to book the bulk head seats which have more room in the footwell. Biggest complaints about the 767 are more related to the flat bed function.
I really like the odd-numbered window seats on the DL 767s so I can look out. I've found DL's food/service to be very good. I haven't flown VS metal in years, but thought their onboard catering was weak (Clubhouse another story).
I guess if you want to be hip, take VS, if you want to relax, take DL.
Feb 7, 2019, 8:47 am
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e.g. in FT discussions sometimes F/Y are obviously just talking about the cabin in general, as opposed to full fare F or full fare Y. In that context J or C can refer to the business cabin, for historical reasons.
Why is business class called J?
But it manifests elsewhere; one particular example that comes to mind is that China Airlines boarding passes have a prominent "C" or "Y" to indicate your cabin without regard to the fare class purchased.
Feb 7, 2019, 9:46 am
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personally i dont understand all the hate towards virgin's j seat. for me i prefer it as there is no cubby for the feet (i sleep on my stomach and tend to toss around - the only cubby i have found not to be restrictive is af's new j seat on the 777) and u can dine with someone by using the ottoman (i dont know of another j product that offers this and its wonderful)
Feb 7, 2019, 12:03 pm
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personally i dont understand all the hate towards virgin's j seat. for me i prefer it as there is no cubby for the feet (i sleep on my stomach and tend to toss around - the only cubby i have found not to be restrictive is af's new j seat on the 777) and u can dine with someone by using the ottoman (i dont know of another j product that offers this and its wonderful)
The major complaints are that you can't recline very much in the upright position, and in order to be made into a bed it has to be flipped rather than just fully reclined.
VS was an early adopter of flat bed J seats, but they have not innovated their product at all in years. Their product is now two generations behind other carriers (reverse herringbone came after this and is preferred for privacy, and now suites are the latest thing)
Feb 7, 2019, 2:40 pm
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The major complaints are that you can't recline very much in the upright position, and in order to be made into a bed it has to be flipped rather than just fully reclined.
VS was an early adopter of flat bed J seats, but they have not innovated their product at all in years. Their product is now two generations behind other carriers (reverse herringbone came after this and is preferred for privacy, and now suites are the latest thing)
VS was an early adopter of flat bed J seats, but they have not innovated their product at all in years. Their product is now two generations behind other carriers (reverse herringbone came after this and is preferred for privacy, and now suites are the latest thing)