Criteria for Opening Sky Club

Old Jan 20, 19, 3:50 pm
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Criteria for Opening Sky Club

How busy does a station need to be before qualifying for a SC? I am specifically wondering about RSW... about 20 flights daily almost all mainline to ATL, DTW, MSP, JFK, LGA and BOS.

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Old Jan 20, 19, 4:19 pm
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I believe that there would be many more factors than just flights that would go into such a decision - space availability and cost probably high on the list. Other factors, such as # of international flights, business/leisure split, medallion density, etc would also play a part.
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Old Jan 20, 19, 4:21 pm
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i'm sure the criteria is more than just flight volume, but if that's it I would think RSW is not near the top of the list. Other airports have more daily flights and still do not have a sky club (LAS averages almost 50 flights per day, for example).
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Old Jan 20, 19, 4:52 pm
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The number of passenger boardings is, of course, critical. But, that is just a beginning. Bottom line is that I would find it remarkable if DL opened a SC at RSW anytime in the forseeable future.
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Old Jan 20, 19, 6:36 pm
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CMH not only needs a Skyclub it also needs an AMS flight!!!
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Old Jan 20, 19, 6:41 pm
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CMH needs a lot of things
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Old Jan 20, 19, 6:57 pm
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Outside the U.S., you'll often see that airports in small and medium sized cities have a lounge that in many cases serves elite passengers or lounge members from all airlines, even from competitive global alliances. One example I know well is at Kiev Boryspil Airport in Ukraine, where I've had access to the same lounge as a business class customer with both Star Alliance and SkyTeam, and also as a SkyClub member. I suspect that like most partner lounges, they collect a per-visit fee from the relevant airline.

I wonder if this could be a model within the U.S. Would be great if small out-stations where no airline could possibly run its own lounge could instead have a shared lounge.

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Old Jan 20, 19, 7:15 pm
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CMH not only needs a Skyclub it also needs an AMS flight!!!
The space above the Buckeye Cafe (or whatever it is now) would look good as a SkyClub...
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Old Jan 20, 19, 7:47 pm
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Outside the U.S., you'll often see that airports in small and medium sized cities have a lounge that in many cases serves elite passengers or lounge members from all airlines, even from competitive global alliances. One example I know well is at Kiev Boryspil Airport in Ukraine, where I've had access to the same lounge as a business class customer with both Star Alliance and SkyTeam, and also as a SkyClub member. I suspect that like most partner lounges, they collect a per-visit fee from the relevant airline.

I wonder if this could be a model within the U.S. Would be great if small out-stations where no airline could possibly run its own lounge could instead have a shared lounge.
It seems that US airlines are taking more of a view that the lounge is a competitive differentiator and draw to their airline (at least domestically). Evidenced by Delta and AA now requiring ticketed travel on their own airline in order to access the lounge. A shared lounge in a smaller outstation wouldn't make Delta more desirable than a competitor if all airlines are allowing access to the same lounge.

On the other hand there are many partner lounges abroad because lounge access is considered a more basic requirement against the international competition. Then the contract lounges start to make sense... allowing the need to be met without the airline having to lease and maintain a lounge of their own.
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Old Jan 20, 19, 8:28 pm
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Originally Posted by andrewk829 View Post
I wonder if this could be a model within the U.S. Would be great if small out-stations where no airline could possibly run its own lounge could instead have a shared lounge.
That model isn't unknown in the U.S. For example, MHT has the Granite Club -- and certainly doesn't/wouldn't have a lounge by AA/DL/UA.

Frankly, I don't see the point. Airlines don't have staff there to help with rebooking. It's just a way to give away inferior alcohol. U.S. airports have no shortage of places to buy a drink.
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Old Jan 20, 19, 8:43 pm
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Frankly, I don't see the point. Airlines don't have staff there to help with rebooking.
I think you've misunderstood the idea of a lounge. Its primary purpose is a place to relax, eat, drink, do some work. That's why they call it a lounge, not a customer service office.

SJC also has a non-denominational club called The Club. Most of the airlines that fly internationally hand out free entry vouchers at check-in to their business class passengers
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Old Jan 20, 19, 10:18 pm
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The number of passenger boardings is, of course, critical. But, that is just a beginning. Bottom line is that I would find it remarkable if DL opened a SC at RSW anytime in the forseeable future.
General level of business travel, % of seats purchased at higher fare buckets and/or by medallion FFs seem like probable factors. Outside of long-existing club locations in Florida and HNL, I'm hard pressed to think of a leisure-oriented station that DL (or any airline) would consider opening a new club. AA's relatively recent add at MCO is an interesting anomoly and likely reflects Orlando's growth as a convention/business market rather than an attempt by AA to please vacationing Admirals Club members.
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Old Jan 20, 19, 11:20 pm
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I am still surprised Vegas doesn't have a Sky Club.
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Old Jan 21, 19, 12:18 am
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Originally Posted by bretthexum View Post
I am still surprised Vegas doesn't have a Sky Club.
Especially now that it has D1-branded flights. I've heard the excuse that they're afraid of people sucking the bar dry, but UA doesn't seem to have that problem.

I think CMH is the most obvious East Coast hole, as is BDL. MCI could do with a club if a new terminal ever gets built.
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Old Jan 21, 19, 12:36 am
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Especially now that it has D1-branded flights. I've heard the excuse that they're afraid of people sucking the bar dry, but UA doesn't seem to have that problem.

I think CMH is the most obvious East Coast hole, as is BDL. MCI could do with a club if a new terminal ever gets built.
With BDL as my home airport, I appreciate the enthusiasm for a SkyClub (and would selfishly certainly welcome one!). Sadly, I think we're just too small. High-income area for sure, but we're pretty low on population relative to other cities with an SC. Even on a good day, we get 6-7x ATL, 3-4x DTW, and 2-3x MSP, with 1x daily to RDU/CLE/CVG. I just don't see the math being in DL's favor, even with our relatively high fares/yield. If nothing else, relative to the size of the station, I'll take the fact that we have pretty solid DL mainline above-wing staff and call it a day.
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