Ed Bastian Thoughts on SLC Hub/Possible Asia
Jan 19, 2019, 10:47 am
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I'm not sure about that. The SLC SC is pretty bleak. I'd rather have a layover in SEA at least outbound (inbound international is a different story) but then again coming from RDU I'd go via ATL / DTW / MSP for a TPAC before going through LAX / SLC / SEA (exception SYD obviously)
Jan 19, 2019, 10:53 am
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IIRC, there are plans to make one of the runways 15,000'. So, that will take care of that issue with the A332.
Jan 19, 2019, 10:59 am
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International O&D traffic from SLC is about 27% to Europe, 20% to Asia. O&D to the top 5 Asia markets from SLC is about 114 PDEW, with Tokyo being the largest. Not giant by any means, but larger than people would expect. There certainly isn’t an imminent announcement, but I could see an announcement in 2021 (after the new terminal is open) for a 2022 launch. The local community would most certainly subsidize the route - they put up close to a million to launch CDG, and $1 million when NRT was launched. It wouldn’t surprise me if they doubled that to get ICN.
Jan 19, 2019, 11:02 am
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Did you calculate the performance charts? Do you realize what SLC's altitude does to a dog of an aircraft like the A332? The only way SLC-ICN works is on a 350, 777, or KE 787
Jan 19, 2019, 12:40 pm
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I'm not sure about that. The SLC SC is pretty bleak. I'd rather have a layover in SEA at least outbound (inbound international is a different story) but then again coming from RDU I'd go via ATL / DTW / MSP for a TPAC before going through LAX / SLC / SEA (exception SYD obviously)
Jan 19, 2019, 3:22 pm
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I'm curious what the plan will be for the north concourse - it was added after the construction began for the south after they realized it was better to remove the remaining concourses now than later. Has anyone heard if there will be a separate skyclub on the north concourse or just all in the south?
Jan 19, 2019, 5:33 pm
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The plan is for a single, "flagship" club in the South concourse. My guess is that South Concourse will be Skyteam exclusive and other airlines (plus some DL flights) will use the North.
Jan 19, 2019, 7:19 pm
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True, although the UA/OZ tieup falls short of a joint venture. United does have a JV with ANA, which is fed by a DEN-NRT route and would be the closer analogy here.
Jan 19, 2019, 7:25 pm
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True. Also, United fliest to a LOT more Asia destinations than DL. DL very much relies on funneling passengers thru ICN. All the more reason an ICN flight makes more sense.
Jan 19, 2019, 11:47 pm
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converting a few 339s (say 10 or so) into 338s could be interesting for Delta. Could be the right aircraft for something like SLC-ICN and returning to Hong Kong.
but either way, the JV is way to young for us to really know what Delta is going to do with it. They used the JV as a cop out for HKG. JV doesn't even included China.
Anyone who does not have a nonstop to ICN and can get a better connection in SLC than at ATL, DTW, SEA or LAX will definitely connect in SLC. And that appears to be a lot of mountain, southwest, and midwest communities. Connections rich on both ends of ICN-SLC. Not O/D restricted on either end.
I see the only new flights DL adds to Asia will be from US gateways to ICN and PVG to feed their JV partners. I don't see any new cities in Asia being added to DL's network unless they get a new JV partner. I mean when you give up HKG, you are probably not looking to add new Asian destinations strictly for O/D traffic.
I see the only new flights DL adds to Asia will be from US gateways to ICN and PVG to feed their JV partners. I don't see any new cities in Asia being added to DL's network unless they get a new JV partner. I mean when you give up HKG, you are probably not looking to add new Asian destinations strictly for O/D traffic.
I would certainly think ICN-ORD/EWR would come well before DEN, possibly IAD as well.
Jan 20, 2019, 12:35 am
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Jan 20, 2019, 12:59 am
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Again, let's see the performance charts. But I'll play along and say that it won't have any issues. The A330neo name is a bit deceiving. It's not just a simple engine upgrade and aero tweaks like the A320neo. The airframe is bigger and holds considerably more passengers. 320+ passengers is way too much for such a thin market. The A330-900 is better suited for something like LAX-ICN or DTW-AMS. It's an airplane for hub-hub operations.
Jan 20, 2019, 2:22 am
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They don't even run the A330 on SLC-AMS. Heck they can't even run AMS year round. If Delta's largest partner hub can't take that much capacity from SLC then ICN certainly can't. There was a good thread about SLC's international demand posted about a year ago. You should read it. The demand for Asia just isn't there. You need a healthy amount of local traffic for such a flight to work. Delta only operated NRT because of a subsidy and even that wasn't enough to keep them around. MSP didn't even have an ICN flight until just recently and they are the wealthiest of Delta's fortress hubs. You really should educate yourself on this matter.