Are flights to the West coast from ATL considered transcon?
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Not that simple. You can see that they DO offer one such flight from ATL. And they DON'T offer it from some likely destinations (the IAD-SEA mentioned above). I think geography plays more of a role than you might think. It's a sort of combination of the two things, really. They can't profitably offer premium service on EVERYTHING, so they focus on the longer routes.
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Just to clarify, I'm not asking because of F/D1 service standards. I'm asking purely from a distance/descriptive point of view. For example, I wouldn't consider DCA-PHX to be a transcon, but I'd consider DCA-LAX to be one. ATL is a bit rough because it's on the east coast, but kind of a bit far inland from the ocean. CLT shares the same problem - is it a transcon hub or more of a longer midcon hub?
I personally consider all transcontinental cities to be BOS, JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL, DCA, IAD (although IAD is pushing it a bit as it's further inland), BWI, RDU, and MIA. The borderline cities, IMHO, would be CLT and ATL, and maybe IAD.
However, how do you define transcontinental? Purely coast to coast? As MD is east of VA where IAD is located... and SC is east of GA where ATL is located... would that still make them transcontinental?
I personally consider all transcontinental cities to be BOS, JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL, DCA, IAD (although IAD is pushing it a bit as it's further inland), BWI, RDU, and MIA. The borderline cities, IMHO, would be CLT and ATL, and maybe IAD.
However, how do you define transcontinental? Purely coast to coast? As MD is east of VA where IAD is located... and SC is east of GA where ATL is located... would that still make them transcontinental?
Anything is really more opinion and semantics for which I’ve seen endless debate on FT about the whose opinion is “right” but that’s all they are - opinions and it really doesn’t matter if one person considers ATL-LAX a transcon and another person doesn’t.
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IAD is a co-terminal of BWI and DCA. Further, IAD is farther east than RDU. I do not think IAD should be considered a borderline city if you consider RDU DCA and BWI transcontinental airports.
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Agree, and I'd make Tampa a borderline case.
On the west coast, let's not forget PDX.
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On the west coast, let's not forget PDX.
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Not that simple. You can see that they DO offer one such flight from ATL. And they DON'T offer it from some likely destinations (the IAD-SEA mentioned above). I think geography plays more of a role than you might think. It's a sort of combination of the two things, really. They can't profitably offer premium service on EVERYTHING, so they focus on the longer routes.
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Depends on your definition of Transcon. If you are looking for special, upgraded service on these flights out of ATL, then the answer is NO. If you are thinking of distance, then the answer is maybe. SFO - ATL isn't that much father than SFO - DTW and most people would consider SFO - DTW a mid-con since you are in the middle of the continent as opposed to the east coast.
While ATL is in Georgia, which is on the east coast, it's still a 5 hour drive or a 235 mile flight to the coast. ATL is closer to the Central Time Zone border than the Atlantic Ocean.
While ATL is in Georgia, which is on the east coast, it's still a 5 hour drive or a 235 mile flight to the coast. ATL is closer to the Central Time Zone border than the Atlantic Ocean.
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Ultimately, how you as a passenger defines transcon doesn't really mean anything. Much like the debate on what people consider to be 'long-haul', everyone can have their own opinion. The difference only matters when it comes to what routes the airline determines receives dedicated special service. For example, this time of year DL offers a once weekly flight between ATL-RNO on Saturdays. This flight is longer than ATL-LAX, but you never come close to the ocean. I wouldn't consider that a transcon and DL obviously doesn't due to the lack a premium market, but it's still 2k miles.
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My view is if I've gone from Eastern Time to Pacific Time (or vise versa), I've "flown across the country". There's two pretty good size mountain ranges in our country and if you've crossed both of them (or drew an imaginary line south from the southern tip of the Appalachians to the Gulf Coast) and crossed both mountain ranges, I would say you've crossed the country in that respect too. As you say, YMMV and as I noted above in my previous post, everyone will have a different opinion. I consider ATL-LAX a transcon. Others gripe at that. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter though. It's all opinion we'd have about as much settling the debate over whether Coca-Cola or Pepsi is better (of course, Coca-Cola is far superior. )
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Depends on your definition of Transcon. If you are looking for special, upgraded service on these flights out of ATL, then the answer is NO. If you are thinking of distance, then the answer is maybe. SFO - ATL isn't that much father than SFO - DTW and most people would consider SFO - DTW a mid-con since you are in the middle of the continent as opposed to the east coast.
While ATL is in Georgia, which is on the east coast, it's still a 5 hour drive or a 235 mile flight to the coast. ATL is closer to the Central Time Zone border than the Atlantic Ocean.
While ATL is in Georgia, which is on the east coast, it's still a 5 hour drive or a 235 mile flight to the coast. ATL is closer to the Central Time Zone border than the Atlantic Ocean.
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A good example is here in SAN where Delta only operates D1 once a day back and forth to JFK on the flight that competes directly with the jetBlue Mint plane--the midday SAN-JFK and morning JFK-SAN.