Delta Air Lines Aborted Landing Thread (Consolidated)
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no, I really am just curious for my own sake of the details, if recorded. Since nearly 100% of my flights, and 100% of my aborts have been on Delta, and I posted on the DL board, I'm asking about Delta specifically. There is very little practical value, except that if there turned out to be a positive answer, it might have been useful to other curious people in the future. The suggestion of liveatc.net appears to be a useful one that I will pursue . I am sure that someone told a tower somewhere that we had aborted.
Good luck in your quest, but I don't think you're going to find the answer you are looking for.
FWIW, an aborted landing tells me the pilot is a professional who chose to not land when it wasn't safe to make an attempt. I like that attitude.
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I never said or even implied otherwise. I am thrilled that the pilot executed the maneuver successfully and that he exercised discretion to favor safety first. I thanked the cockpit personnel on my way out.
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My recommendation would be to try and listen to the LIVEATC.net recording (if available) for your flight/airport of landing. Try and see if ATC directed the pilot to go around (they might even state the reason why like traffic not clearing, separation issues, ground traffic issues, etc). Or perhaps the pilot made the call for a missed approach due to winds, clouds, etc.
At my airline we keep internal records for go-arounds/missed approaches for engine cycle calculations and FOQA records. I don't know of any public database of this info. From a pilot's perspective it's all random. I have gone 8 months without a missed and then had 3 within one week. Keeps things interesting!
At my airline we keep internal records for go-arounds/missed approaches for engine cycle calculations and FOQA records. I don't know of any public database of this info. From a pilot's perspective it's all random. I have gone 8 months without a missed and then had 3 within one week. Keeps things interesting!
Originally Posted by KATL Tower (Rwy 10/28)/LiveATC - Nov-10-2018-0300Z @ 15:24
Tower: "DL 1554, What's the reason for the go around?"
DL1554: "ahhh, had a gust and we're landing outside the uhh landing zone - DL 1554"
DL1554: "ahhh, had a gust and we're landing outside the uhh landing zone - DL 1554"
Again - nothing insidious here, no complaint, intended slight on delta, anything like that. Just posted here because it was Delta and maybe they had company-specific public info.
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Go-arounds, at least in Boeing airplanes, are not full power. The Boeing go-around power setting targets a 2000fpm climb which is less than the initial climb after takeoff. I would think that Airbus is similar but don't have never flown an Airbus.
The reasons for a go-around are usually one of the following:
1. Previous aircraft will not be clear of the runway prior to the arriving aircraft reaching the runway threshold. During in busy arrival pushes it isn't uncommon for the time between the previous aircraft clearing the runway and arriving aircraft reaching the runway threshold to be as little as ten seconds. The two airplanes are still more than a mile apart, at this point, so there is no risk of collision but it doesn't take much to eat up that ten second pad which will cause the arrival to have to go around.
2. Failure to meet stabilized approach criteria by the reject gate. Specific details vary by airline but there will be an established 'reject gate' which may be 500', 1000', etc. where the company procedures require the aircraft to be fully configured (gear/flaps), on-speed, engines spooled, on course, and with a descent rate under 1200fpm (sometimes 1000fpm). If you haven't yet met stabilized approach criteria at the reject gate then a go-around is mandatory. This usually results from ATC keeping you high, or turning you in tighter than you were expecting.
3. Low visibility. When the required visual references are not in sight at the applicable decision altitude or missed approach point a go-around is mandatory.
4. High winds/turbulence. When high winds/turbulence prevent a stabilized round-out, flare, and touchdown, result in a bounced landing, or extends the flare so that touchdown will not be within the designated touchdown zone, a go-around is prudent.
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Had my first aborted landing earlier this year because of crosswinds in Salt Lake City. Before the first landing attempt, we had spent 20 or so minutes looping around Moab in hopes the winds would settle down and then after the go round, we had another 20 or so minutes over Bonneville while the pilot and operations discussed whether they were going to try Salt Lake City a second time or divert to Las Vegas. Second landing attempt at SLC went well.
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Delta pilot aborts takeoff to avoid another aircraft PVG->DTW
https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/1811135062/
Delta Air Lines pilot avoided what could otherwise have been a catastrophic incident when he aborted takeoff after spotting a Japan Airlines aircraft entering the runway at the Pudong International Airport in Shanghai yesterday.
Delta Air Lines pilot avoided what could otherwise have been a catastrophic incident when he aborted takeoff after spotting a Japan Airlines aircraft entering the runway at the Pudong International Airport in Shanghai yesterday.
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It was not known how many passengers were on board but a Boeing 787 can carry 375 passengers while an Airbus 350 can carry 306 passengers.
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Aviation Herald has the story as well:
Incident: JAL B789 at Shanghai on Nov 13th 2018, runway incursion forces rejected takeoff
Incident: JAL B789 at Shanghai on Nov 13th 2018, runway incursion forces rejected takeoff
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Based on the diagram, there was almost certainly no actual danger, the A350 would have passed several hundred feet above the 787. Would have been an impressive view for the passengers on the left side of the 787. The passengers on the A350 wouldn't have known anything was unusual.
Still, very prudent of DL pilots to stop, take no chances.
Still, very prudent of DL pilots to stop, take no chances.
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