Change flight to "connect" via final destination
Sep 24, 2018, 9:37 am
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Assume there are no rules about connections, indirect routing and SDC. Just assume that for a minute for a discussion.
Then, you buy a ticket that starts in LAS and ends in LAX. The airline agrees that once you board, you will end up in LAX. Maybe they even let you fly from LAS to JFK to MIA to SEA to LAX. Does not matter.
BUT, no matter how many cities you go through, once you get to the agreed DESTINATION, then the airline is done with you. They completed their contract to get your from point A to point B.
Why is it so hard to understand that once you arrive at the ticketed DESTINATION that it is done. Over.
Then, you buy a ticket that starts in LAS and ends in LAX. The airline agrees that once you board, you will end up in LAX. Maybe they even let you fly from LAS to JFK to MIA to SEA to LAX. Does not matter.
BUT, no matter how many cities you go through, once you get to the agreed DESTINATION, then the airline is done with you. They completed their contract to get your from point A to point B.
Why is it so hard to understand that once you arrive at the ticketed DESTINATION that it is done. Over.
Sep 24, 2018, 9:40 am
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Yes. But everyone of those examples still went from the original ticketed origination city (SFO) to the original ticketed destination (PDX). That never changed. If you had somehow arrived in PDX during all these swaps, the ticket would be over/used/done.
Sep 24, 2018, 9:51 am
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I'm impressed everyone held on so long in this thread.
OP I have one secret tip that will make you crazy:
- As a PM, this won't work. However, if you had more status, like as a DM, the secret DM agents can do this. So basically you gotta get a higher status first. Source: Am DM.
OP I have one secret tip that will make you crazy:
- As a PM, this won't work. However, if you had more status, like as a DM, the secret DM agents can do this. So basically you gotta get a higher status first. Source: Am DM.
Sep 24, 2018, 10:29 am
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Most likely IBTL, but OP, I'd be shocked if you can pull this off but if you do, please let us know!
Sep 24, 2018, 10:33 am
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If the OP had a FULL F ticket, there would be no need to make changes as SDC or to wait until the travel day since FULL F tickets get "free" changes at any time.
Sep 24, 2018, 10:35 am
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Sep 24, 2018, 10:44 am
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Full F fares still have routing rules. They tend to be more liberal than the discount F fares (which often require non-stop routing), but they are still there. Full F fares on LAX-LAS allows connecting in SLC, but no other hubs. Discount F fares require non-stop routing on this route.
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Sep 24, 2018, 10:48 am
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Of course, although I seriously doubt that even a FULL FFF fare would have routing rules that permit travel between LAS and LAX via JFK,CDG/AMS/LHR, or TYO/ICN.
My point is that since the OP is asking about SDC rather than ticket changes, it's a good bet that this isn't a FULL F fare.
My point is that since the OP is asking about SDC rather than ticket changes, it's a good bet that this isn't a FULL F fare.
Sep 24, 2018, 11:11 am
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If you had your own jet, you could do it.
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Sep 24, 2018, 2:26 pm
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2) I don't know how my question defies logic. Please hold back the rudeness.
OP is free to ask an agent to reroute him as he seeks. The answer ought to be "no" but it is free to ask. Rather than debating whether some agent wants to help OP enough to put his own job at risk is not worth the debate. Maybe such a person exists.
The largest problem OP faces is that he holds a ticket LAS-LAX. Whether he could route LAS-xxx-LAX is a different question than whether he can route LAS-LAX and then add on additional segments once he has been delivered to his final ticketed destination. What OP seeks is a change, not a SDC and that would be dealt with under the fare rules which would presumably price this as whatever the route prices at. As he is booked in F, no change fee.
The largest problem OP faces is that he holds a ticket LAS-LAX. Whether he could route LAS-xxx-LAX is a different question than whether he can route LAS-LAX and then add on additional segments once he has been delivered to his final ticketed destination. What OP seeks is a change, not a SDC and that would be dealt with under the fare rules which would presumably price this as whatever the route prices at. As he is booked in F, no change fee.
Excuse you? This is a serious question.
I could do LAS-JFK-LAX if I had to, but some of the jerks above mock me for even proposing that.
Sep 24, 2018, 2:36 pm
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I'm impressed everyone held on so long in this thread.
OP I have one secret tip that will make you crazy:
- As a PM, this won't work. However, if you had more status, like as a DM, the secret DM agents can do this. So basically you gotta get a higher status first. Source: Am DM.
OP I have one secret tip that will make you crazy:
- As a PM, this won't work. However, if you had more status, like as a DM, the secret DM agents can do this. So basically you gotta get a higher status first. Source: Am DM.
Sep 24, 2018, 2:37 pm
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Sep 24, 2018, 2:38 pm
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Ok, so I see the theoretical case behind what your saying. I buy LAS-LAX, and once i fly LAS-LAX, the ticket has been used. But in practice, why does the first stop at LAX have to terminate my trip? What's to stop people going to other airports after? Isn't this what multi-city tickets are for - where you have all the cities on ONE ticket?
I think you might be confusing tickets with segments. Are you saying there is something (a rule, or something in DL's computers) that automatically voids anything added to a ticket once the destinatio has been reached?
I think you might be confusing tickets with segments. Are you saying there is something (a rule, or something in DL's computers) that automatically voids anything added to a ticket once the destinatio has been reached?
Multi-city tickets are just multiple fare components combined. You can SDC your flights on each fare component individually, but since SDC isn't done to a single "ticket" but rather a single fare component, the fact that you can book a multi-city ticket that passes through the same point more than once doesn't matter.
Sep 24, 2018, 2:42 pm
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Of course, although I seriously doubt that even a FULL FFF fare would have routing rules that permit travel between LAS and LAX via JFK,CDG/AMS/LHR, or TYO/ICN.
My point is that since the OP is asking about SDC rather than ticket changes, it's a good bet that this isn't a FULL F fare.
My point is that since the OP is asking about SDC rather than ticket changes, it's a good bet that this isn't a FULL F fare.
You're confusing segments and tickets with fare components. A SDC is valid over a single fare component--in other words, basis XNN07B valid for a one way ticket ticket in X class from point A to point B. You can SDC to any valid routing on that fare component (and often, as you've seen, to a reasonable but invalid routing on that fare component).