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DL takes over as largest service provider at BHM. More routes?

Old Aug 15, 2018, 9:31 am
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DL takes over as largest service provider at BHM. More routes?

BHM based traveler here who's been cheating on DL since the MQD waiver changes last year but still flying DL a couple times a month. We have excellent service to other markets on other carriers here in BHM while DL continues to try to funnel everything through ATL with some regional jet service to DTL and LGA. Getting to midwestern cities and the West Coast is miserable.

With BHM's economy growing at a rapid rate and DL taking over WN as the number one carrier at the airport do you think we'll ever see more hub route service? What metrics are used to determine whether other hubs and focus city service is needed. BHAM based SHIPT (owned now by Target) just agreed to add nearly 900 new jobs to their HQ here. Surely that would justify service to MSP given the frequency of travel between the two cities. Amazon just broke ground on a new massive DC here and not to mention several of the other ongoing projects in the area.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/birmingh...at-bhm-in.html

Looks like the trend has continued through July. ATL handling the lion's share of the people.
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 9:44 am
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If you are miserable flying 625 miles in a CRJ to DTW, how is 854 miles to MSP going to be any better? MSP isn't really any better positioned to the west coast than ATL other than to SEA. The frequencies to ATL is going to beat out the few miles saved going through MSP in most cases.
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 9:46 am
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You're fighting destination count vs. frequency. Business travelers (that's the cohort paying higher average fares) like frequency. They don't want to build their schedules around the two BHM-DAL flights a day. With 11x to ATL, and Delta's 200+ non-stop destinations from ATL, BHM has great air service for a city its size - five continents with one change of plane. Delta from ATL has decent frequencies to a lot of Midwest and West Coast cities. If one-stops can't work, Southern travelers really need to move to ATL or CLT. (Aside: Miami isn't the South. Dallas and Houston aren't the South.)

IMHO, BHM travelers ought to be pretty happy with 2-class RJs to DTW and LGA. United isn't going to fly them non-stop to Newark tomorrow. JetBlue and AA aren't going to fly them non-stop to JFK. Tomorrow's schedules show everything AA and UA to Chicago on single-class RJs.
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
You're fighting destination count vs. frequency. Business travelers (that's the cohort paying higher average fares) like frequency. They don't want to build their schedules around the two BHM-DAL flights a day. With 11x to ATL, and Delta's 200+ non-stop destinations from ATL, BHM has great air service for a city its size - five continents with one change of plane. Delta from ATL has decent frequencies to a lot of Midwest and West Coast cities. If one-stops can't work, Southern travelers really need to move to ATL or CLT. (Aside: Miami isn't the South. Dallas and Houston aren't the South.)

IMHO, BHM travelers ought to be pretty happy with 2-class RJs to DTW and LGA. United isn't going to fly them non-stop to Newark tomorrow. JetBlue and AA aren't going to fly them non-stop to JFK. Tomorrow's schedules show everything AA and UA to Chicago on single-class RJs.
Not sure where you got your departure for tomorrow info.

Departures | Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 12:52 pm
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The market could not previously support daily service to SLC, so there is little reason for Delta to do anything other than high frequencies to ATL. I would think a small city like BHM (less than 150 miles to ATL) would be pleased to have mainline service at all.
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by JesseRohr
BHM based traveler here who's been cheating on DL since the MQD waiver changes last year but still flying DL a couple times a month. We have excellent service to other markets on other carriers here in BHM while DL continues to try to funnel everything through ATL with some regional jet service to DTL and LGA. Getting to midwestern cities and the West Coast is miserable.

With BHM's economy growing at a rapid rate and DL taking over WN as the number one carrier at the airport do you think we'll ever see more hub route service? What metrics are used to determine whether other hubs and focus city service is needed. BHAM based SHIPT (owned now by Target) just agreed to add nearly 900 new jobs to their HQ here. Surely that would justify service to MSP given the frequency of travel between the two cities. Amazon just broke ground on a new massive DC here and not to mention several of the other ongoing projects in the area.

Source:
https://www.bizjournals.com/birmingh...at-bhm-in.html

Looks like the trend has continued through July. ATL handling the lion's share of the people.
Good to see the growth at BHM. Hope DL will one day add RDU-BHM. I have lots of customers in AL.

As far as Amazon fulfillment centers go, by far most of those jobs are minimum or close to minimum wage. I highly doubt you'll see any significant increase from that.

OT: The Amazon thing trips me out. Our local media just announced another 2+mil sqft Amazon FC in the RDU area...like it's some big deal. There are hundreds of these all over the U.S. (and beyond). Mostly entry level jobs that will most likely need support to make ends meet. Yeay! Let's have a press release!
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by JesseRohr
Not sure where you got your departure for tomorrow info.

Departures Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport
That departures list does not list all flights for tomorrow (it only goes until early afternoon) as it only lists flights within a 24 hour window. Add them all up and you will see there are 11 daily flights to ATL.
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 1:44 pm
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Sadly the only mainline service from any airlines into BHM are WN and DL and the only DL mainline service is to ATL........several years ago there was one daily E175 service BHM-MSP but that was cut out.....dont ever remember there being BHM-SLC service but surely would be nice as flying to ATL to connect stinks....especially during the summer time thunderstorm season.......
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 9:51 pm
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FYI,
There was a BHM-SLC flight years ago. Been there....done that.
We BHM flyers can walk the concourses of ATL in our sleep and even remember the connector tunnel between B and C. We also remember wider concourses without a kiosk every six feet. But then we older flyers remember the Birmingham powers-that-be passing on the international airport. We also remember when it was a snap to cross Atlanta on any number of Peachtree streets!!!!
Just wish there was a BHM-NYC flight that would work with international travel.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by CVFDCHIEF180
Sadly the only mainline service from any airlines into BHM are WN and DL and the only DL mainline service is to ATL........several years ago there was one daily E175 service BHM-MSP but that was cut out.....dont ever remember there being BHM-SLC service but surely would be nice as flying to ATL to connect stinks....especially during the summer time thunderstorm season.......

I have been boned a many times in ATL between 4-6PM because of the storms. Strangely I've been diverted to BHM twice now (only lived here 2.5 years) on my way to ATL only to not be allowed off. One of those times I got to sleep in ATL because the crew timed out...you can imagine my frustration.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by HDQDD
Good to see the growth at BHM. Hope DL will one day add RDU-BHM. I have lots of customers in AL.

As far as Amazon fulfillment centers go, by far most of those jobs are minimum or close to minimum wage. I highly doubt you'll see any significant increase from that.

OT: The Amazon thing trips me out. Our local media just announced another 2+mil sqft Amazon FC in the RDU area...like it's some big deal. There are hundreds of these all over the U.S. (and beyond). Mostly entry level jobs that will most likely need support to make ends meet. Yeay! Let's have a press release!
As I have many in RDU. It's typically spendy to get to RDU from BHM too on DL.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by brown069
The market could not previously support daily service to SLC, so there is little reason for Delta to do anything other than high frequencies to ATL. I would think a small city like BHM (less than 150 miles to ATL) would be pleased to have mainline service at all.
A top 50 metro is hardly a small city. Sure it's not Boston or Philly but it's virtually the same size as SLC.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 9:06 am
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Definitely no BHM-DCA flight on DL. DCA would require a slot and DL certainly isn't going to use one on BHM. I was honestly shocked to see that AA operates BHM-MIA.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 9:10 am
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Typically the BHM-MIA is twice a day. It increases to three a day around Spring Break.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by JesseRohr
BHM based traveler here who's been cheating on DL since the MQD waiver changes last year but still flying DL a couple times a month. We have excellent service to other markets on other carriers here in BHM while DL continues to try to funnel everything through ATL with some regional jet service to DTL and LGA. Getting to midwestern cities and the West Coast is miserable.

With BHM's economy growing at a rapid rate and DL taking over WN as the number one carrier at the airport do you think we'll ever see more hub route service? What metrics are used to determine whether other hubs and focus city service is needed. BHAM based SHIPT (owned now by Target) just agreed to add nearly 900 new jobs to their HQ here. Surely that would justify service to MSP given the frequency of travel between the two cities. Amazon just broke ground on a new massive DC here and not to mention several of the other ongoing projects in the area.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/birmingh...at-bhm-in.html

Looks like the trend has continued through July. ATL handling the lion's share of the people.
You make it sound like a recent thing, but DL has been carrying more passengers in/out of BHM than Southwest since 2016. And in 2015 Southwest only carried 8000 more passengers to barely nose out Delta.

Statistical Report Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport

Southwest for full year 2017 is down significantly from 2013 (maybe 15%), and Delta for the same periods up maybe 7%. With a large Southwest operation in ATL, folks no longer drive from Georgia to BHM. But BHM still picks up a lot of traffic from outside its metro area, and folks drive from both Huntsville and Montgomery for lower fares. So really your airport already punches above its weight, so to speak.

The Birrmingham metro is not a wealthy one, and in general like most of Alabama its growth lags the national averages. Your Delta service is probably as good as it will get, but it is pretty good. The model is flow folks through ATL, same as for here in HSV. If you don't appreciate what you have, you can look down the road at MGM with a tarmac full of RJs.

The real story at BHM is the other AAirline, which only flies RJs yet almost tripled its passenger count from 2013 to 2017 and now runs a very strong 3rd to Delta and Southwest.

edit: here's a bit of BHM trivia. BHM had a Delta Crown Room Club until it was closed in 2001.

BHM Skyclub?
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