flyerCO

What? There's no issue with wiretapping. This isn't a phone call or electronic communication being recorded. As for visual and audio, it's public space, thus no expectation of privacy. It may be private property (the plane), but it's a public space.

pvn

1) the person who shot the video is not posting in this thread, you should probably try to engage the argument here instead of falling back to responding to an argument that isn't being made here (and that you're misunderstanding to begin with)

2) All you're doing here is showing us that you don't understand what "_____ while black" means and when someone points that out you're refusing to stop for a second and consider the fact that you might be wrong.

gooselee

I didn't know FT had become a place where we weren't allowed to post commentary on a news article, and instead could only post things in direct response to other poster's opinions.

As for #2 , I would argue that I do in fact understand that term. I'm not arguing what the term means or the very real experiences and consequences behind it. My argument, which you don't seem to want to pause and understand, is that I don't believe this to be a situation where the term should apply. We obviously disagree on that. That's fine and I'm willing to leave it there if you are.

pvn

And that argument is based on ______?

You've already mischaracterized the post (several times). The person that shot the video and posted the tweet never claimed "her sister did nothing" - that was you reading into it.

pvn

Do you regularly get questions about what you "do to be a DM"? This seems like a really, really weird comment.

Beltway2A

Fly two million miles, I'd imagine.

TBD

Well ... yes ... I think I'd ask anyone that I met with 2MM how they did it (and how they've put up with so much time sitting on a plane).

gooselee

Admittedly, based on my natural inclination to ask questions, desire more information, and desire more concrete confirmation of the stated position of these types of "viral" posts which all too often only show a single perspective and are conveniently limited to the parts of a video/photo/whatever that support such a perspective. But also based on the content of the post itself, and more importantly the absence of other content like even a description of what precipitated the parts that were actually filmed/posted.

I could equally say that you are reading into the video/post in your apparent position that the pilot's reaction was not appropriate given whatever prior actions occurred, and that his actions were possibly impacted by their race. You're welcome to do that, and it's one valid interpretation. So you and I read into this viral post/video in two different ways, when in reality neither of us have actual evidence one way or another.

And in that way, I guess these ladies are the real winners here, because their video got them our attention for the past half a day, and the full explanation of this event will probably never actually be known to anyone who wasn't there.

pvn

You could say that, but I haven't made any such judgement of the pilot's actions.

gooselee

Ahh, but now we're getting into how one statement could imply another (or how the absence of a statement could equally imply something else).

Look, I honestly think you and I are probably far more aligned on the larger race issues in society than this exchange might suggest. And I think we both agree that neither of us know enough about the situation this thread is about. We can leave it there.

For all I know, the pilot could have just come from a flight where he was trying to deplane all the pax for "comfort" even though the a/c was working, pissed off because the FAs on that flight tried to overrule him, and decided to take that out on some perfectly lovely relatives of a former celebrity.

ijgordon

Yeah, I don't know what else offhand, but she was performing in Vegas for a while (I know, not necessarily the epitome of celebrity, but hey, if Celine and Britney do it...). Her face was plastered on the entire facade of the Flamingo (IIRC).

TWA884

Did you read the linked article?
Actually, the rule contains the following exception:

HWGeeks

I remember when a Delta TA said to me, you don't look like you belong in 1st class and wanted to send me to the other side of T2 to check in. 10 years ago I think I posted about it here. I tried to figure out if it was the way I acted what I was wearing and then it dawned on me it was because of who I was.

But I think nowadays, people don't look to see what they may have done and go straight for the who they are as the reason. Not that sometimes it isn't justified.

Beltway2A

I did, thanks for checking though. Did you read the post I was responding to, or just choose to deliberately truncate and misconstrue my response?

TWA884

Of course I read HWGeeks' post to which you were responding in its entirety. I also read HWGeeks' reply to your post which I quoted.

You implied that Tamar was being unfairly criticized in this thread because of her race and "celebrity" status, not her behavior. That's why I wondered whether you read the linked article with the description of the behavior which resulted in the captain's scolding.

IMHO, @HWGeeks is right on the money. Tamar is being criticized for her behavior, which is a fair subject for scorn, not the color of her skin.