Inflight assault, man allowed to leave airport - Delta messed up
#16
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That is why we do not just evacuate planes when someone yells 'bomb'
(oh wait, we do)
#17
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Like, when someone says they've just been attacked and hurt really badly, you don't start talking about it being "alleged" and questioning them, because that makes you a jerk. The first thing you do is show sympathy and that you care.
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Hard disagree. No-Fly is an affront to humanity (restriction of free movement). Convicted assailants should be in prison, but any non-incarcerated citizen ought to be able to travel by air as a right, not a privilege.
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In *principle* I agree about not treading upon liberties, but that’s not what we have here (and it’s derailing the thread, which I share responsibility for, so mea culpa).
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Delta can't stop him from leaving, but they can contact local law enforcement and delay the opening of the aircraft door to let them on. This one definitely doesn't look good. Not sure exactly what protocol was followed, but I'm sure the request for assistance can/should be made inflight and clearly wasn't.
It turned out that the guy they were looking for turned up 2,300 miles west of BWI at SMF; he ran from the police, and they filled him full of lead.
So, it would appear that Delta fully cooperated with the authorities when they thought that I was kidnapping my daughter.
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Unlike sexual assault, kidnapping is a risk for which airports and airlines have elaborate operating procedures. TSA will ask border crossing-style questions of kids when they approach the ID checker. Flight attendants are trained to spot indicators of child trafficking.
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There are plenty of ways to have "free movement" - walk, run, car, bus, train, boat, scooter. Limiting someone's ability to get on a plane does in no way infringe on their right to free movement.
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Unlike sexual assault, kidnapping is a risk for which airports and airlines have elaborate operating procedures. TSA will ask border crossing-style questions of kids when they approach the ID checker. Flight attendants are trained to spot indicators of child trafficking.
Heck, most of my company works from behind laptops at home and we all still get training on this. It's pretty basic: if you have reason to believe something bad happened or is happening, call the authorities as quickly as possible.
I'd say a woman running down an airplane aisle saying "help me" because she was just groped qualifies as a reason to believe something happened. Immediate response should have been notifying the flight deck so they can notify the ground.
#26
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No, if listening to the stories of our mothers, sisters, daughters, etc has taught us anything it's that <strong>we should believe women that this kind of thing happens ALL the time. It's up to the police and, if it gets that far, courts, to determine the facts. But given the literal **millennia** that women have spent not being believed, I think we can just let our first reaction be along the lines of "how awful!"<br /><br />Like, when someone says they've just been attacked and hurt really badly, you don't start talking about it being "alleged" and questioning them, because that makes you a jerk. The first thing you do is show sympathy and that you care.
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I wondered how long it would take until the victim was suspected of lying...Really makes me ill.
Delta is not the court and jury. They should have contacted law enforcement and let the process begin.
The woman was seated in a middle seat. The other passenger can corroborate if she did indeed react and try to get out of the row in addition to anything she may have said.
Delta is not the court and jury. They should have contacted law enforcement and let the process begin.
The woman was seated in a middle seat. The other passenger can corroborate if she did indeed react and try to get out of the row in addition to anything she may have said.
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I wondered how long it would take until the victim was suspected of lying...Really makes me ill.
Delta is not the court and jury. They should have contacted law enforcement and let the process begin.
The woman was seated in a middle seat. The other passenger can corroborate if she did indeed react and try to get out of the row in addition to anything she may have said.
Delta is not the court and jury. They should have contacted law enforcement and let the process begin.
The woman was seated in a middle seat. The other passenger can corroborate if she did indeed react and try to get out of the row in addition to anything she may have said.
delta messed up big time; law enforcement should have been at the gate and taken statements.
however, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. unfortunately in cases like this many times, as jdrtravel pointed out, the victim is guilty simply on the account of one person. luckily thats not how the courts operate, but unfortunately many times the persons reputation has already been ruined