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RobOnLI Jul 11, 2018 6:40 am

Passenger who caused flight diversion is paying for it
 
I didn't see this covered elsewhere but the unruly passenger who caused a PDX-ATL flight to divert to TUL back in May will pay DL $9,118 for the diversion. He also pleaded guilty to a federal assault charge. This is the first time I'm reading about someone who caused a diversion having to pay the airline for it.

https://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime...m-13064233.php

-RM

flyerCO Jul 11, 2018 6:46 am


Originally Posted by RobOnLI (Post 29961776)
I didn't see this covered elsewhere but the unruly passenger who caused a PDX-ATL flight to divert to TUL back in May will pay DL $9,118 for the diversion. He also pleaded guilty to a federal assault charge. This is the first time I'm reading about someone who caused a diversion having to pay the airline for it.

https://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime...m-13064233.php

-RM

Happens frequently. This issue is do they actually pay it. The order to pay is one thing, collecting another.

aviatorzz Jul 11, 2018 6:48 am

It's too bad they couldn't make him pay for the hotels, meals, misconnect time etc. A little over $9,000 isn't a deterrent to most people, but when you see the airline charging a few hundred thousand, people might actually grow up and be a little more respectful in the airport and airplane.

pvn Jul 11, 2018 6:52 am


Originally Posted by aviatorzz (Post 29961801)
It's too bad they couldn't make him pay for the hotels, meals, misconnect time etc. A little over $9,000 isn't a deterrent to most people, but when you see the airline charging a few hundred thousand, people might actually grow up and be a little more respectful in the airport and airplane.

for "most people" $9k and $9M are the same thing, they're gonna default on it either way.

flyerCO Jul 11, 2018 6:57 am


Originally Posted by pvn (Post 29961820)
for "most people" $9k and $9M are the same thing, they're gonna default on it either way.

but 9k is 1/25th of 250k, thus it should be easy for most. :rolleyes:

HWGeeks Jul 11, 2018 7:09 am

Will this count towards his MQD?

griffy208 Jul 11, 2018 7:11 am

Is this PWM eligible? If paid via Delta Amex CC, would this qualify for 2x miles?

Often1 Jul 11, 2018 7:33 am

This was a restitution order as part of a federal criminal judgment. The judgment stands for 20 years. Even if one does not have that much money, all it takes is a relative dying and leaving $10K and that money is gone. You would be surprised at how much restitution is actually collected.

pvn Jul 11, 2018 7:49 am


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 29961947)
all it takes is a relative dying and leaving $10K

lol

pvn Jul 11, 2018 7:50 am

it happens to most people two or three times a year

ethernal Jul 11, 2018 8:03 am


Originally Posted by pvn (Post 29962002)
it happens to most people two or three times a year

Either way, I doubt this person is penniless. Generally speaking people in poverty aren't flying transcons. It may be hard to believe but 15-20% of the adult US population have never taken a flight (at least per a study back in 2003 - may be slightly dated now). I would imagine that there is a strong correlation to long term poverty to that percentage.

kop84 Jul 11, 2018 8:23 am

I think the issue is two fold:

First: $9K is no where near the amount of what a diversion costs DL. It probably doesn't even account for the extra fuel much less everything else

Second: People who can't behave themselves on planes are a special breed. The fine could be $9M, plus 1Y in jail, plus a lifetime air travel ban, plus their dog gets shot into the sun, but it's likely to make very little difference. Rationally it makes sense that it would be a deterrent, but it's an inherently irrational act. And there in lies the problem.

readywhenyouare Jul 11, 2018 8:35 am


Originally Posted by HWGeeks (Post 29961878)
Will this count towards his MQD?

Ok, that was funny! 👍

Uncle Nonny Jul 11, 2018 8:42 am


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 29961947)
all it takes is a relative dying

If that's all it takes then I'm sure we'll see an uptick in diversions.

exwannabe Jul 11, 2018 9:24 am

Well, as the sentencing date has not been set yet he MIGHT want to consider quickly paying up to reduce the likelyhood of jail time in addition to another $5K.


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