Delta bans pitbulls as ESA and proposed solution
Jun 22, 2018, 5:05 am
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For that matter, there's no legal requirement for service animals to have professional training.
Jun 22, 2018, 5:11 am
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Jun 22, 2018, 6:37 am
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Yes there are super nice kind Pits Bulls out there, but Delta cant know how well trained/Behaved your particular dog is.
Jun 22, 2018, 7:14 am
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I had an uncle who owned various pits he always claimed they were his babies and would never hurt anyone. Hell I believed him and for the first time ever wasn't afraid of pits.
That was until one chomped on his jugular. RIP Uncle Mino
That was until one chomped on his jugular. RIP Uncle Mino
Jun 22, 2018, 8:02 am
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I've heard lots of people say "my pit bull would never hurt anyone". I have NEVER heard anyone say "my pit bull would hurt someone".
In other words, pit bull owners are either 1) liars or 2) ignorant.
I applaud Delta on this move! ^
If attack dogs are going to be allowed on a plane, in all fairness, everyone else should be allowed to bring a gun on the plane as well. Then it's a fair fight.
In other words, pit bull owners are either 1) liars or 2) ignorant.
I applaud Delta on this move! ^
If attack dogs are going to be allowed on a plane, in all fairness, everyone else should be allowed to bring a gun on the plane as well. Then it's a fair fight.
Jun 22, 2018, 8:06 am
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I support Delta's move.
On a comparative note, we have guidelines for various things and people choose to interpret them their own way. My commentary is around settings where you may see "all dogs must be on leashes" yet I'm sure you have all seen cases where owners will determine that the rules don't apply to them... Let me clarify that I'm fine with dogs and other pets. My view, however, is that if there is such a rule for that setting, people should follow the rules. Otherwise, maybe it should say "leashes optional".
On a comparative note, we have guidelines for various things and people choose to interpret them their own way. My commentary is around settings where you may see "all dogs must be on leashes" yet I'm sure you have all seen cases where owners will determine that the rules don't apply to them... Let me clarify that I'm fine with dogs and other pets. My view, however, is that if there is such a rule for that setting, people should follow the rules. Otherwise, maybe it should say "leashes optional".
Jun 22, 2018, 8:09 am
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I agree with your point. I would favor a ban on all animals in the cabin unless fully certified Service animals AND less than 50 pounds. My response previously was direct to the OP point.
Jun 22, 2018, 8:14 am
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Let me clarify... if a Pit bull has been trained to be aggressive or previously abused then it is EXTREMELY difficult to undo that. I have tried and expereinced this first hand. A rescue Pit bull i had and was working with literally woke up in the middle of the night and clamped down on my foot while I was sleeping. With that and several other bite incidents, I had no choice but to put it down. Two different trainers helped me try to convert this dog and their comments to me before we started were this- " we will give it a go, but be prepared to lose this battle".
Nonetheless, I am not the enemy here... I am just voicing some opinion and real experience.
Nonetheless, I am not the enemy here... I am just voicing some opinion and real experience.
Jun 22, 2018, 8:19 am
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The real point here is that ANY dog in a small loud space with lots of people can freak out and become a problem. This is EXACTLY why dogs should not be allowed in the cabin without confinement/muzzling. It is also why dogs shouldn't be off leash in other public spaces.
Jun 22, 2018, 9:49 am
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I can understand how Delta can ban them as an ESA but how can they legally ban them if they are an actual service animal that is certified? A guy in my building drives for Uber and said they are required to transport any service animal even if they have a pet allergy.
Jun 22, 2018, 9:53 am
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Agree. Whenever a thread is started about kid or dogs the thread gets off topic from people saying pets should be banned or kids should be banned.
Jun 22, 2018, 10:04 am
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I can understand how Delta can ban them as an ESA but how can they legally ban them if they are an actual service animal that is certified? A guy in my building drives for Uber and said they are required to transport any service animal even if they have a pet allergy.
Jun 22, 2018, 10:12 am
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I think this is a reasonable ban. Read the stats on how the incredibly disproportionate rate of attacks requiring medical care given the percentage of domestic dogs that are pitbulls. Are we now going to extend our liberal attitudes to a dog - poor thing, it is just misunderstood?
A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds.
Who cares about insurance and deductibles if you are permanently disfigured for life.
A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds.
Who cares about insurance and deductibles if you are permanently disfigured for life.
Chihuahuas and other smaller breeds are usually far more aggressive than a lot of larger breeds like pit bulls. The issue is that, when a chihuahua bites, it causes less damage due to the size of the dog.
https://einhorninsurance.com/califor...perament-test/
Aww, so cute!
I've heard lots of people say "my pit bull would never hurt anyone". I have NEVER heard anyone say "my pit bull would hurt someone".
In other words, pit bull owners are either 1) liars or 2) ignorant.
I applaud Delta on this move! ^
If attack dogs are going to be allowed on a plane, in all fairness, everyone else should be allowed to bring a gun on the plane as well. Then it's a fair fight.
In other words, pit bull owners are either 1) liars or 2) ignorant.
I applaud Delta on this move! ^
If attack dogs are going to be allowed on a plane, in all fairness, everyone else should be allowed to bring a gun on the plane as well. Then it's a fair fight.
Jun 22, 2018, 10:16 am
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What do you all think of the pitbull ban? I personally am against it because I believe all dogs regardless of breed can be trained to be aggressive or docile. I think I have a great solution: ESA owners should be able to choose between one of the two options - getting their dogs actually certified by an accredited dog behaviorist. or two, enforcing a sort of bond on ESA travelers. Perhaps they hold $400 as a license to travel with an ESA ensuring if anything goes wrong, the traveler would be insured to cover all expenses. I also propose a large (say $2,000) deductible if there is ever an incident. If hotels and car rentals can charge large fees should they find evidence of smoke, airlines should be allowed to charge fees if ESA animals have incidents.