garykung

What you have said imply that DL should shut down MSP hub because of the weather issue.

flyerCO

A weather issue is there for a day. People still fly when there's weather. People dont fly to places with social unrest. Big difference.

garykung

Again, it makes no sense at all. So there is a social unrest. Does that mean CX would need to shut down for business as well?

DL's decision to cease HKG operations has nothing to do with the unrest happening in Hong Kong now. I simply don't see the connection.

Zorak

Maybe because no one claimed there was one? I think MSPe was just saying that it coincidentally turned out to be fortunate, not that there was any causal relationship.

garykung

I don't want to guess what MSPe intended to say in his post. But DL's departure really has nothing to do with the civil unrest. So yeah - I am puzzled why this even had to be mentioned in the first place.

FireEmblemPride

I apologize, but it's extremely insensitive to bump this topic to somehow use the current protests as a justification for DL to cancel flights to HKG.

The people of HK are fighting for their democracy. DL's prior flight planning discussion being tied to that is incredibly inappropriate.

Zorak

Except you already *are* guessing what she (MSPe is a woman) intended to say by taking umbrage at it. I see that your profile says HKG, so the situation is more personal to you than it might be to others, but IMO it's clouding the way you are reading things.

And again, I don't think anyone was saying it was.

It didn't *have* to be mentioned, it was just a conversational observation.

It's like if you normally drive one way to work, but for some reason change your mind on a particular day, maybe you have an extra errand to run, but it turns out there was an accident or a traffic jam or something so you would have been greatly delayed if you took your usual route, and you say to someone "it was quite fortunate I had that errand otherwise I would've run into the traffic jam" even though the two don't really have anything to do with each other.

EDIT: and since I'm paranoid now that the above might be misunderstood too, to be perfectly clear I am absolutely *not* saying that a traffic jam and the protests going on in HKG are in any way equivalent.

flyerCO

No one has done so. You're reading a lot into a post that just isn't there.

FireEmblemPride

Justification, observation, fortuity, whatever you want to call it -- it's not a great look, even if you think it's harmless.

Let's put this another way: back in 2011, UA had no HND slots and lost them to DL, HA and AA. A few months later, the 3/11 earthquake happened and Japan was thrown into chaos. If someone had said "well it's fortunate UA got no HND slots given the natural disaster," people would rightly be offended and upset.

(I recognize it was unintentional but it bears worth mentioning.)

flyerCO

No no one would be upset by that comment. The comment isn't making light of the disaster. The comment is just an observation that UA got lucky. Same here, no one is in anyway making light of situation in HKG. However it's a correct observation that DL essentially got lucky.

FireEmblemPride

We'll agree to disagree then. I'd never want to be associated with anyone making comments like that, but I guess that's just me.

worldwidedreamer

<rant>As a former Hong Konger who loves the people and place, the current situation breaks my heart. Part of what is unspoken is how over the past two decades the economic growth in Hong Kong has been anemic compared to nearby cities like Shenzhen and Guangzhou; the SCMP reports that in 2018 Shenzhen grew to be a larger GDP equivalent than the HK SAR.

While the loss of political autonomy (kinda), freedom of religion and free speech is painful---the folks living in HK also saw their cousins in Guangdong province create tremendous wealth. One thing to remember: there was nothing stopping the British from giving HK residents a true democracy before 1997, and there is nothing stopping them from giving "right of abode" to HK residents with British Overseas Passports. While it is easy to portray the PRC as villains in this story, there are far more elements to consider if we're honest. </rant>

Given the economic changes, I'm still surprised Delta left HK but totally realize that it might well have been a good business decision. They don't partner with a local carrier for connecting passengers, the growth outlook is not particular sanguine and local people on either end of their most logical SEA-HKG flight have good reason to prefer CX and its partner AS.

SJC ORD LDR

I think it's clearly what she said. I see no other interpretation.

HkCaGu

There was but one thing which stopped both from happening: The PRC. Recently declassified British files prove it and many people know this already. If you look at all US/UK/French colonies around the world, just about every single one with substantial population became self governing and democratic around 1970. Except Hong Kong.

worldwidedreamer

I'd love to see a reference to the declassified documents.

That HK did not become self-governing and democratic is precisely why right of abode in the UK should be granted.