Rumor: DL to announce MSP-ICN soon
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VS/DL are in a JV on all US/UK routes. As part of getting it approved by pilots, X number/percent of hours must be flown by DL pilots.
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The yields must be very high. My friend has never had a problem non-reving on that route thanks to low load factors. VS has no domestic/EU routes to flow those passengers on to. And DL certainly has nothing at PDX.
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Oh let’s see which of the Major PDX companies could want this flight? Nike, Intel, Genentech.
My bet is on Nike as the UK is their Megamarket in Europe.
My bet is on Nike as the UK is their Megamarket in Europe.
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Nike is HQ'ed in Portland and apparently generates quite a bit of premium traffic, among other companies HQ'ed in the Portland area. Additionally, Portland's metro area is 2.45 million. Orlando's is right at 2.5 million. Las Vegas is 2.2 million. Obviously Orlando and Las Vegas have the tourism draw (and that puts aside that Portland can generate a lot of business traffic, which is going to be higher yielding than leisure traffic), but if you're going to say "Portland really isn't that big of a city", then you have to be ready to admit that neither Orlando or Las Vegas are "that big of a city" either.
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Nike is HQ'ed in Portland and apparently generates quite a bit of premium traffic, among other companies HQ'ed in the Portland area. Additionally, Portland's metro area is 2.45 million. Orlando's is right at 2.5 million. Las Vegas is 2.2 million. Obviously Orlando and Las Vegas have the tourism draw (and that puts aside that Portland can generate a lot of business traffic, which is going to be higher yielding than leisure traffic), but if you're going to say "Portland really isn't that big of a city", then you have to be ready to admit that neither Orlando or Las Vegas are "that big of a city" either.
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Of course they are not. Look at the portfolio of international flights from MCO and LAS. It is very limited in destinations. MCO couldn't even support CDG when Air France tried a few years ago. It's basically just flights to the UK and S America. I'm not even sure if FRA is year-round. LAS has even less than MCO.
Point being these cities can sustain a decent amount of longhaul traffic, and if it’s a city like PDX with a decent amount of business traffic that can command the nonstop premium, then the city can sustain the service even if it’s not an NYC or LA or Chicago. It also helps that Portland is the top 10 metro areas in the US for highest per capita income.
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A 4x weekly service during peak summer only doesn’t seem that unreasonable for PDX.
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I’d imagine the Weiden Kennedy folks fly a fair amount too, including internationally. That said, I think it takes a much larger portfolio of businesses to support an international route.
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Nike is HQ'ed in Portland and apparently generates quite a bit of premium traffic, among other companies HQ'ed in the Portland area. Additionally, Portland's metro area is 2.45 million. Orlando's is right at 2.5 million. Las Vegas is 2.2 million. Obviously Orlando and Las Vegas have the tourism draw (and that puts aside that Portland can generate a lot of business traffic, which is going to be higher yielding than leisure traffic), but if you're going to say "Portland really isn't that big of a city", then you have to be ready to admit that neither Orlando or Las Vegas are "that big of a city" either.
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That might result in full airplanes due to leisure travelers, but it wouldn't work for the premium business traffic. Frequent convenient schedules are important, plus if there's an extended low season for business travel, it would be summer.
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Ed announced it this morning while speaking to a few people at the Hyatt Regency in Bloomington, MN- MSP-ICN nonstop.....
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I know he's been speaking to a bunch of the regional chambers of commerce, as well as meeting with Delta and Endeavor employees at MSP. Makes perfect sense.
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This does seem like a “hold the LHR slot” route, to be fair. But it was at least profitable enough to bring it back for a second year this summer...
Speaking from experience, PDX/SEA are also symbiotic reliever hubs for each other in a fashion recalling the way MSP/DTW once worked for NW. When SEA directs fill up, PDX connecting itineraries are often available at a lower price, helping fill remaining seats not consumed by the local O&D market. And it’s a useful tool for DL during irops to have at least one airport operating slightly under full capacity...
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Right, and there isn’t enough business traffic to justify a daily service year-round. Hence why the last day of Delta Flight 36 is October 5th - resuming next year.