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Old Jun 1, 2018, 2:28 pm
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Originally Posted by overdahill
Helpful is to help the guidelines of extreme conditions be published.
Second to provide for penalties for abuse or non response to debord request when it is
possible to do so.
Can't help you with those!
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 2:31 pm
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Good reminder of why it is important to hydrate before getting on an airplane, especially as we get into the warmer months when there is a 100% chance it will be hot inside the cabin until you get in the air.
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 2:40 pm
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Originally Posted by overdahill
Yes it was. the closed the door and announced that we need to burn fuel as we were to heavy. only 10 min but turned
into an hour. No air no cold water or ice or any means of cooling. Engines running but no air till in sky. O2 deprivation was probably also occurring.
When was this and where?
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 2:43 pm
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When was this and where?
dlh Duluth Minnesota 2pm flight to msp Minneapolis Friday may 25
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 3:15 pm
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46 minutes from out to off. I think the threshold is 3 hours. Not sure about hot temperature exceptions.
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 4:07 pm
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I don't think you get far with a request for a drink OR return to the gate, deplane sick passenger, redo weight & balance and head back out. If you are to ill to continue, that would almost certainly have generated an immediate return to the gate.

Catering while moving on an active taxiway is not going to happen. The aircraft would have to return to the gate or move to a holding area and park with brakes locked.

I'm not saying that there aren't flight attendants who might not figure something out, but if they are sticking to the rules.....
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by overdahill
But warm water does not reduce body temperature! So both are important.
Actually, warm or hot water cools you more. It can cause you to sweat more which lowers your body temperature. Cold water may lower the temp in the very short run but not in the long run. When I hike in hot weather my chief concern is having enough water, not its temperature.
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 4:55 pm
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Actually, warm or hot water cools you more. It can cause you to sweat more which lowers your body temperature. Cold water may lower the temp in the very short run but not in the long run.
I have heard that as well. Drinking hot water or a hot beverage actually cools your body temp better than a cold drink. Sounds weird, but it’s true.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...-down-1338875/
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 5:47 pm
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I have heard that as well. Drinking hot water or a hot beverage actually cools your body temp better than a cold drink. Sounds weird, but it’s true.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...-down-1338875/

First Aid for Heat Exhaustion

  • Take worker to a clinic or emergency room for medical evaluation and treatment.
  • If medical care is unavailable, call 911.
  • Someone should stay with worker until help arrives.
  • Remove worker from hot area and give liquids to drink.
  • Remove unnecessary clothing, including shoes and socks.
  • Cool the worker with cold compresses or have the worker wash head, face, and neck with cold water.
  • Encourage frequent sips of cool water
When heat issues develop the body's thermoregulation fails and the sweating transpiration release shuts down.
Second, electrolytes and chemistry play a vital role. Heat stroke which develops from heat exhaustion is often fatal.
What makes it so insidious is that serious disorientation arises so the person cannot care for their well being and
the common sense preservation is no longer normally functioning.


People you have it wrong!
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by overdahill
O2 deprivation was probably also occurring.
Was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt about being overly dramatic. Then you said that.
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 6:10 pm
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Originally Posted by overdahill

First Aid for Heat Exhaustion

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People you have it wrong!
There is a huge difference between heat exhaustion (which is a very serious condition and can be life threatening) and being on an uncomfortably warm airplane for 45 minutes. While I certainly wasn’t there, I would guess that actual heat exhaustion was not in play here.
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 6:30 pm
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There is a huge difference between heat exhaustion (which is a very serious condition and can be life threatening) and being on an uncomfortably warm airplane for 45 minutes. While I certainly wasn’t there, I would guess that actual heat exhaustion was not in play here.
I was there and have sufficient medical that heat exhaustion was in play.
I grew up in the south and saw many people experience such conditions.
People of age both young and old are more susceptible to the conditions.
Try over an hour with no air.
The pilot and stewardess both knew the heat was at the least demanding and to some degree extreme.
Trained in biostatistics and wrote full hospital wide medical systems.
You would guess very wrong.
There needs to be more written guidelines than the arbitrary 3 hour rule.
In periods of heat, if no airconditioning, then cool water, ice or cold drinks are a MUST. Room temperature water is a
help but not just one small glass.
Otherwise, deplane.
Symptoms may not show for those on the plane until hours or days later.
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 6:52 pm
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You lost me at "stewardess."
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 6:52 pm
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Originally Posted by overdahill
I was there and have sufficient medical that heat exhaustion was in play.
I grew up in the south and saw many people experience such conditions.
People of age both young and old are more susceptible to the conditions.
Try over an hour with no air.
The pilot and stewardess both knew the heat was at the least demanding and to some degree extreme.
Trained in biostatistics and wrote full hospital wide medical systems.
You would guess very wrong.
There needs to be more written guidelines than the arbitrary 3 hour rule.
In periods of heat, if no airconditioning, then cool water, ice or cold drinks are a MUST. Room temperature water is a
help but not just one small glass.
Otherwise, deplane.
Symptoms may not show for those on the plane until hours or days later.
Which of these symptoms were you experiencing? Fatigue, nausea, headache, excessive thirst, muscles aches, weakness, confusion, anxiety, drenching sweats, slowed heart rate, dizziness, fainting, agitation (well I know the answer to this last one :-))
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by theddo
As someone who is young and was the 3d person at my place of employment (which was accidentally a hospital)...
just curious but what was your place of employment originally trying to be?
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