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Originally Posted by bitterproffit
(Post 29671301)
She didn't get fined for an apple. She got fined for lying on her customs form/kiosk.
You have to declare even snacks that you brought with you on the trip. Its simply, just say you have food and your luggage gets scanned. I did it once with Stroopwaffels. Its not that hard to not lie. |
Originally Posted by jdrtravel
(Post 29671314)
Seriously? We're talking about an apple people!!!! Lying? If she had a suitcase full of apples or other produce that would be one thing. What I am so irritated about is the obvious overreaction by the overzealous agent.
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I'd bet a lot of people reading this thread will be more careful about their customs forms in the future.
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Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero
(Post 29671317)
Is it perfectly legal to bring an apple in? If so, then I doubt there would be a fine. But, I can bring cookies in and declare them. If I don't declare wrapped cookies, its a $500 fine and a loss of GE. |
Originally Posted by jdrtravel
(Post 29671314)
Seriously? We're talking about an apple people!!!! Lying? If she had a suitcase full of apples or other produce that would be one thing. What I am so irritated about is the obvious overreaction by the overzealous agent.
I don't see any overreaction. Especially with her being GE. She should know better. |
In 2010 I got caught with an apple I'd forgotten about and in 2015 I was reminded of the shame when I had my GE interview. At that time I was warned that any more apples and I'd be thrown out of the program and not allowed to re-apply because now I knew the rules. I really like apples but I've managed so far to stay clean.
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Originally Posted by bitterproffit
(Post 29671292)
She wasn't fined for carrying an apple. She was fined for not declaring an apple.
She didn't forget it. She says she was saving it for later. She lied, and then got caught on a random search. Sucks to face consequences when you break laws. She now also blames Delta because they gave her the apple and didn't warn her not to lie about it. SHe is facing an expensive lesson, sad to say. |
Originally Posted by bitterproffit
(Post 29671319)
We aren't talking about an apple. We are talking about lying on your customs declaration. How odd that you think there are degrees to lying.
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Originally Posted by jdrtravel
(Post 29671298)
And the very definition of insanity is being fined $500 for an apple, especially when it is very clear that agents have some discretion on the matter. A ban on importing agricultural goods is important to protect our crops, etc. That does not mean that an agent can't also be a reasonable and thinking person. Even if bringing the apple was fully intentional, and not a mistake, I still think $500 is crazy and frankly just wrong.
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Some of you are real hard liners. I'm pretty sure she wasn't intending to deceive CBP and sneak the apple in. She likely just forgot that she had it. I get it, that's her fault and she's responsible, nobody should be debating that. But it's a pretty simple mistake without much harm done, a $500 fine is quite excessive.
I do think she's making this worse on herself than she has to...blaming Delta is a joke. She should have just owned up to making a mistake and forgetting about it. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some liberties taken in that article too, especially how the CBP agent is described as acting. Someone who blames Delta for this would likely try and play the pity/sympathy card and do whatever they could to make CBP look like the bad guy too. |
Originally Posted by NotHamSarnie
(Post 29671329)
In 2010 I got caught with an apple I'd forgotten about and in 2015 I was reminded of the shame when I had my GE interview. At that time I was warned that any more apples and I'd be thrown out of the program and not allowed to re-apply because now I knew the rules. I really like apples but I've managed so far to stay clean.
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Originally Posted by NotHamSarnie
(Post 29671329)
In 2010 I got caught with an apple I'd forgotten about and in 2015 I was reminded of the shame when I had my GE interview. At that time I was warned that any more apples and I'd be thrown out of the program and not allowed to re-apply because now I knew the rules. I really like apples but I've managed so far to stay clean.
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Regardless of which side of this debate you are on, "lying" is the first thing they get you on if they want to get you on something. Look at how many famous people got convicted of "lying" and not the original crime they were investigated on. Moral of the story: when in doubt, just declare it.
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Lying requires intention to deceive. If she legitimately forgot she had the apple, she wasn't lying.
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I guess none of you have flown into New Zealand.
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