Using GUC via DM Line on Partner Airline Questions
Any specific strategies for doing this? Because of MQD being distance based I'd prefer to book on partner airlines and using GUC on them. Short backstory my wife and I are going to Europe for our 10yr anniversary. There are specific planes I would like to fly and can fly from literally anywhere in US to almost anywhere in Europe. Just want to fly specific planes. I also have a 3 week 'opening' of when I can come/go.
What I'd like to do is use the DM line to bounce ideas and see if instant GUC Clearance is available. If so could I think in theory book directly with Air France, KLM or whoever and then Delta DM line can apply the GUC Live? Or... is this a huge waste of time and just call and fly Delta metal? Or book via Delta on partner airline? |
The fare buckets required for partner marketed flights are probably going to make this a losing proposition.
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Yep, KLM marketed flights must be Y/B/M and AF marketed must be Y/B/M/W (W is full fare Premium Economy on AF).
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Originally Posted by dinanm3atl
(Post 29492500)
There are specific planes I would like to fly and can fly from literally anywhere in US to almost anywhere in Europe. Just want to fly specific planes. I also have a 3 week 'opening' of when I can come/go.
Don't ask them to find where 77Ls and A350s fly. Literally anywhere in the U.S. to almost anywhere in Europe is not an adequately bounded request. |
Originally Posted by LBJ
(Post 29492753)
Yep, KLM marketed flights must be Y/B/M and AF marketed must be Y/B/M/W (W is full fare Premium Economy on AF).
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If you book a DL-marketed (DL flight numbers), KL-operated flight, it will be eligible for global upgrades on all fare classes other than Basic Economy (E). KL flight numbers require expensive fare classes.
Air France is not worth looking at -- requires expensive fare classes and on most planes only upgrades from coach to premium economy anyway. If you're interested in the KLM option, if you sign up for a paid ExpertFlyer account you can search for KLM availability on there. Useful since many agents aren't familiar with booking KLM upgrades, and they have no way to search "go anywhere in Europe" easily anyway. To search Delta availability you have to talk to Delta. You can also ping them on Twitter. Using Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic is also an option, though only really practical if going just to London. |
Originally Posted by 3Cforme
(Post 29492820)
If you can specify routes and the date range to agents and ask them to look for availability to confirm GUC immediately, they will play, IME.
Don't ask them to find where 77Ls and A350s fly. Literally anywhere in the U.S. to almost anywhere in Europe is not an adequately bounded request.
Originally Posted by bgriff
(Post 29493618)
If you book a DL-marketed (DL flight numbers), KL-operated flight, it will be eligible for global upgrades on all fare classes other than Basic Economy (E). KL flight numbers require expensive fare classes.
Air France is not worth looking at -- requires expensive fare classes and on most planes only upgrades from coach to premium economy anyway. If you're interested in the KLM option, if you sign up for a paid ExpertFlyer account you can search for KLM availability on there. Useful since many agents aren't familiar with booking KLM upgrades, and they have no way to search "go anywhere in Europe" easily anyway. To search Delta availability you have to talk to Delta. You can also ping them on Twitter. Using Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic is also an option, though only really practical if going just to London. |
My recommendation is:
1. Find an itinerary that shows KLM and Delta Z fares (lowest fare in Business), not I, D, C or J. 2. Call up Delta and hope for a knowledgeable agent. Tell the agent that you would like to upgrade with a GUC into Z class on a KLM flight. 3. After issue and re-issue of your ticket you will have a booking in Z class with KLM flight numbers, on 006 stock. This has worked for me for several years, but some agents will tell you flat out that there is no availability and that it cannot be done. If so, then HUCA. No ExpertFlyer account needed, |
Originally Posted by dinanm3atl
(Post 29494122)
Yes that is my plan. I have compiled possibilities for instance Orlando to London has a 747 Virgin. So I have a list of things that are known routes. I assumed at least doing that as no agent is going to help with "Fly me to Europe from anywhere in US on a 747, 787 or A380".
And Virgin's remaining 744s are in a small-premium-cabin configuration because they only serve leisure markets, so Upper Class awards and upgrades are going to be on the rare side on those flights. Plus, it's somewhat minor, but the Orlando flight (and all other remaining 744 flights) go into LGW, not LHR, which means you would miss out on the chance to try Virgin's highly regarded Heathrow Clubhouse lounge, considered one of the best lounges (and perhaps the very best business class lounge) in the world. If you're really keen to fly the 744 I guess you could look for a routing like MCO-LGW, LHR-ATL, but unlike with award tickets where that can be pieced together, you may have to pay a premium to book the underlying cash coach ticket to be upgraded for such a routing. If 744 is a priority, KLM is probably your best choice, though if you're booking more than a couple of months in advance there's a risk that the aircraft would be swapped on you before you fly. |
Thanks everyone. Months in advance booking because it's weeks in Europe. Need to lock in the the going/coming. Intra europe not too worried about.
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Originally Posted by PHXflier
(Post 29494426)
My recommendation is:
1. Find an itinerary that shows KLM and Delta Z fares (lowest fare in Business), not I, D, C or J. 2. Call up Delta and hope for a knowledgeable agent. Tell the agent that you would like to upgrade with a GUC into Z class on a KLM flight. 3. After issue and re-issue of your ticket you will have a booking in Z class with KLM flight numbers, on 006 stock. This has worked for me for several years, but some agents will tell you flat out that there is no availability and that it cannot be done. If so, then HUCA. No ExpertFlyer account needed, |
Originally Posted by KingBraden
(Post 29501658)
Does this earn MQD as DL or KL flight? If KL this is an amazing plan and I might change a flight based on this.l
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What about for KL flights that don't fly out or to the US? For example, I have been trying to find out if I can book a DL-marketed GRU-AMS (Sao Paulo to AMS) and use a GUC to upgrade, but found no luck in obtaining the answer to this.
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Originally Posted by imsuchaluckass
(Post 29507765)
What about for KL flights that don't fly out or to the US? For example, I have been trying to find out if I can book a DL-marketed GRU-AMS (Sao Paulo to AMS) and use a GUC to upgrade, but found no luck in obtaining the answer to this.
You also can use it for any DL marketed flight in most fare classes, but I do not believe DL puts it’s code on KL flight that do not originate in the US or Canada (other flights are codeshared beyond AMS, but only bookable in conjunction with a US or Canada flight. I don’t see the GRU flight sold as a codeshare. |
Originally Posted by imsuchaluckass
(Post 29507765)
What about for KL flights that don't fly out or to the US? For example, I have been trying to find out if I can book a DL-marketed GRU-AMS (Sao Paulo to AMS) and use a GUC to upgrade, but found no luck in obtaining the answer to this.
Similarly Delta won’t sell you DL flight numbers on KLM flights to Southeast Asia even though for example JFK-AMS-SIN is actually a fairly direct routing. Generally KLM upgrades on cheap tickets are only possibly between the US (and possibly Canada?) and Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia. |
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