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Old Jan 23, 19, 5:12 am
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Originally Posted by DL-Don View Post
Be careful think that total spend will get you to 360. I understand they also look at the ratios of spend versus MQMs and spend versus segments. If you're spending $400-500 (or less) per segment, no matter how much the spend, you may have trouble making 360.
That seems very reasonable, but might not be consistent with the "evidence" contained in the DL Milestones email link that was distributed today and is being discussed in another thread currently. Lots of the "winners" were DMs, but there's only one where the writeup mentions 360 and that's Julian P., longest distance at 473,267 miles flown. It says that he earned a million RDMs this year and if I try very loosely to guesstimate his spend, I get about $70K (assuming 13 miles per dollar for a DM with the Reserve card and also assuming that he got about 100,000 miles without flying, either from Reserve card bonuses, crosscutting (RIP) miles, etc.) In fact, 900,000 RDMs / 13 RDMs per mile = $69,231 spend (or MQDs). His writeup emphasizes flights to Hawaii, so I'm implicitly assuming that this is all DL metal. I'm also assuming that he's not doing manufactured spending on DL AmEx cards as I don't think he would have the time for that.

Approximately $70K spend would probably be enough for 360 at an outstation but not a hub, although given the distance flown, it doesn't look like expensive tickets were generally used. Again doing a rough calculation, if all of these flights earned MQMs at 100%, it appears that he's paying about 14.6 cents per MQM (or mile flown), which isn't super cheap but it's not a high rate of spend either. It's just a bit about what the DM MQD requirement would suggest, $15,000/125,000 MQMs = 12 cents per MQM on average, although of course the rate would be higher with Reserve card MQMs or rollover MQMs.

Indeed, if we hypothesize that a typical 360 might earn 150,000-200,000 MQMs and spend $50,000-$100,000 (where the $50,000 is believed not to be enough at hubs and where we're obviously attempting to eliminate extremely high mileage or extremely high spending), we would get a range of $50,000/200,000 = 25 cents per MQM to $100,000/150,000 = 67 cents per MQM, so this guy's MQM versus spend wouldn't look so good to DL.

Alternatively, he supposedly flew 50 red eye segments last year, so we know he flew at least 50 segments and in fact the number must be much higher because 473,267 miles/50 segments = 9,465 miles per segment which is beyond the range of most aircraft and if he likes Hawaii so much, he can't always be traveling to Australia or South Africa. If he had the sort of travel patterns to qualify on segments, we'd be looking at close to 1,000 segments per year, which would be about $70 per segment on average, clearly impossible. OTOH, if the redeyes are half of his flying (which is still unlikely from the Midwest), then we'd have $700 per segment, which again doesn't seem that impressive by 360 standards, even if we believe the average segment approached 5,000 miles, which is also almost impossible from the Midwest, where longhaul international flying would involve (from a nonhub) at least one domestic segment for every long international one, so we might guess that a typical RT could have two 1,000 mile domestic segments and two 5,000 mile international segments, for an average segment length of 3,000, which would imply 158 segments per year (not even the MQS requirement for DM) or about $70,000/158 = $443 per segment, again not a huge number for a 360, although I don't often think of nplane tickets in terms of cost per segment, so my perceptions of what is typical could be way off.
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Old Jan 23, 19, 12:57 pm
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I believe the 473,267 miles are actual flight miles and not MQMs.

In my email, it says I flew 171.161 miles but my flight MQMs were 263,256 (after subtracting AMEX Reserve Card MQMs). Of course the MQMs included class of service bonuses and 500 MQM minimums as well. My spend was about $1050 per segment; $88,894 in total. That's about 30 cents per total MQM or 34 cents per flight MQM.
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Old Jan 23, 19, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by admanag View Post
...just wondering if anyone has seen any signs of 360 renewal, either a message from Delta or maybe an indication like a new Executive skyclub membership for 2019 in the online wallet which i remember a bit in advance last year. Seems weird as AA Concierge Key and United Global Services have already notified for 2019 in early December!
I received a call form DL member services yesterday. They left a message on my home phone regarding my 360 status. I called the number they left and it went to the 360 line. They called to tell me that my 360 status was expiring and the end of January and that it is a rotating program and i may be elegiable for the program in the future 🙄
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Old Jan 23, 19, 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by DL-Don View Post
I believe the 473,267 miles are actual flight miles and not MQMs.

In my email, it says I flew 171.161 miles but my flight MQMs were 263,256 (after subtracting AMEX Reserve Card MQMs). Of course the MQMs included class of service bonuses and 500 MQM minimums as well. My spend was about $1050 per segment; $88,894 in total. That's about 30 cents per total MQM or 34 cents per flight MQM.
I realize that the number is actual distance flown, with no class of service bonus, and I was trying to see if I could "reverse engineer" a reasonable approximation to his cents per MQM and dollars per MQS stats..
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Old Jan 24, 19, 8:03 pm
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another way you can look to see if you will be 360 for 2019, is to look in "wallet" on the website under "delta skky club management." There will be an "upcoming" link, and if you have executive for 2019 then you are 360. :-)
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Old Jan 24, 19, 8:47 pm
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What are the "real" additional benefit of 360 vs Diamond ?
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Old Jan 24, 19, 8:54 pm
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1. special dedicated number to call
2. change fees waived most of the time
3. FAs will ask you first about meal so they have what you want (in case you are sitting in back row in BC of an even flight, for example)
4. follow flights and fix if there is a delay or a cancellation
5. first on upgrade list

thats really it.
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Old Jan 25, 19, 8:54 am
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The 'upcoming' trick is super helpful, I just checked and I'm executive member beginning 2/1 -- so hope this means 360. I wonder when it goes into effect; I'm flying to MXP tonight.
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Old Jan 25, 19, 11:50 am
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The 'upcoming' trick is super helpful, I just checked and I'm executive member beginning 2/1 -- so hope this means 360. I wonder when it goes into effect; I'm flying to MXP tonight.
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Old Jan 25, 19, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by audiotron2002 View Post
another way you can look to see if you will be 360 for 2019, is to look in "wallet" on the website under "delta skky club management." There will be an "upcoming" link, and if you have executive for 2019 then you are 360. :-)
I had already selected the Executive as a Choice for 2019 so it shows under upcoming already.
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Old Jan 25, 19, 4:51 pm
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I had already selected the Executive as a Choice for 2019 so it shows under upcoming already.
I guess there goes a wasted Choice selection unless you had no shot at Delta 360
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Old Jan 26, 19, 8:56 pm
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Originally Posted by audiotron2002 View Post
another way you can look to see if you will be 360 for 2019, is to look in "wallet" on the website under "delta skky club management." There will be an "upcoming" link, and if you have executive for 2019 then you are 360. :-)
This is very true and a way to verify if you're in the 360 club before notifications. This will be my third year in the 360 club. With all the travel I do, I value each and every one of the team members that help me on a weekly basis with my travel. I wonder what they will send out this year. Two years ago it was some scotch, last year some head phones and hat. Guess we shall wait and see. Doesn't look like my travel will change that much in 2019. Another year of crazy hectic travel. Happy and safe travels to everyone!
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Old Jan 31, 19, 1:46 am
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Notification via email

Just received my invitation via email. Turned a very late night of work into a great one. Looking forward to the next year of flying
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Old Jan 31, 19, 2:33 am
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Just received my invitation via email. Turned a very late night of work into a great one. Looking forward to the next year of flying
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Old Jan 31, 19, 6:27 am
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Got the notification just now. Wanted to make it one time in my life and did. Very unlikely to make it again in the next two years as I'm changing jobs and travel this year will be mostly domestic.

Spent about $100K out of Atlanta doing mostly long-haul business to EU, SA and AUS.

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