US East Coast Weather Waivers
Jan 5, 2018, 3:01 pm
#91
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 858
Delta is going to royally mess up again. If you can't handle southeast winter weather then you have failed. How long before the BOD removes Bastian? How many more screw ups will they tolerate? The FAA needs to fine Delta until their their next quarterly financial statement is covered in red.
Jan 5, 2018, 3:06 pm
#93
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 858
Let's not make things up. There are no employees whose sole job is de-icing. Ground crews are cross trained to do multiple jobs. Delta would just need to call in reserve employees during the light snow dustings ATL gets. They should be ashamed to let their operation fall apart when airports in the Midwest handle it routinely.
Jan 5, 2018, 3:09 pm
#94
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 858
Let's not make things up. There are no employees whose sole job is de-icing. Ground crews are cross trained to do multiple jobs. Delta would just need to call in reserve employees during the light snow dustings ATL gets. They should be ashamed to let their operation fall apart when airports in the Midwest handle it routinely.
The other consideration is the winter weather events in ATL tend to involve freezing rain. No airports can handle freezing rain due to the very short holdover times and the fact that takeoffs are flat out prohibited in anything other than very light freezing precipitation.
Jan 5, 2018, 3:11 pm
#95
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 858
Since when is 6inches of snow in ATL a “light dusting”?!
I already corrected your earlier false assertion, and now I will again. Airports in the Midwest (and anywhere, JFK/LGA being the latest examples) cannot sustain a full operation, or anywhere close to it, in a heavy snow event. You obviously have no idea how airports/Airlines operate.
I already corrected your earlier false assertion, and now I will again. Airports in the Midwest (and anywhere, JFK/LGA being the latest examples) cannot sustain a full operation, or anywhere close to it, in a heavy snow event. You obviously have no idea how airports/Airlines operate.
If it’s a major event with heavy snow and or high winds operations drop far below even the above levels.
Jan 5, 2018, 3:14 pm
#96
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Orlando, FL Area
Programs: Delta SkySponge ExtraAbsorbent, SPG Gold
Posts: 29,988
I'll assume you have experience in this field and yield to your greater knowledge but it seems likeI never see news stories about massive delays due to snow in MSP and DEN.
Jan 5, 2018, 3:32 pm
#97
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: NYC
Programs: DL PM, Marriott Gold, Hertz PC, National Exec
Posts: 6,736
Jan 5, 2018, 3:34 pm
#98
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Orlando, FL Area
Programs: Delta SkySponge ExtraAbsorbent, SPG Gold
Posts: 29,988
Jan 5, 2018, 5:44 pm
#99
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: MIA
Programs: Delta 1 Million Miler, Delta DM, Hilton Diamond, SPG Gold, Marriott Gold, Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 241
What I think people forget is that airport ops reflect overall city ops in a winter event. The City of Atlanta recovers slowly from winter weather and has limited capacity to deal with it - just like Delta at ATL. Why? All for the same reasons. Atlanta and ATL just don’t experience much winter weather to demand more annual prep. Northern cities (and airports) must be better equipped because the volume of snow and need to remove it every year is simply greater.
Same can can be said about hurricanes. The Caribbean, Florida, and Massachusetts can all get hurricanes. But where do you think residents think about them more and are more likely to prepare every year? Having lived in both MA and FL, I can tell you it’s the tropical areas. Why? For the same reverse reason as snow - those spots are more likely to need to deal with that weather than Northeast states.
Same can can be said about hurricanes. The Caribbean, Florida, and Massachusetts can all get hurricanes. But where do you think residents think about them more and are more likely to prepare every year? Having lived in both MA and FL, I can tell you it’s the tropical areas. Why? For the same reverse reason as snow - those spots are more likely to need to deal with that weather than Northeast states.
Jan 5, 2018, 5:45 pm
#100
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 159
Let's not make things up. There are no employees whose sole job is de-icing. Ground crews are cross trained to do multiple jobs. Delta would just need to call in reserve employees during the light snow dustings ATL gets. They should be ashamed to let their operation fall apart when airports in the Midwest handle it routinely.
As mentioned, Delta runs at maximum deicing capacity in ATL, and even paid to expand it a few years ago. There's just no more room.
There's an argument to be made Atlanta runs at too high a capacity and that Delta should move connections over other hubs... but obviously Delta's chosen not to do that.
Why are we even talking about ATL anyways? This storm didn't affect it.
Jan 5, 2018, 5:49 pm
#101
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: MIA
Programs: Delta 1 Million Miler, Delta DM, Hilton Diamond, SPG Gold, Marriott Gold, Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 241
Delta frequently sends dozens of employees from their Northern hubs down to ATL for deicing help during winter weather.
As mentioned, Delta runs at maximum deicing capacity in ATL, and even paid to expand it a few years ago. There's just no more room.
There's an argument to be made Atlanta runs at too high a capacity and that Delta should move connections over other hubs... but obviously Delta's chosen not to do that.
Why are we even talking about ATL anyways? This storm didn't affect it.
Jan 5, 2018, 5:49 pm
#102
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: RDU
Programs: DL DM+(segs)/MM, UA Ag, Hilton DM, Marriott Ti (life Pt), TSA Opt-out Platinum
Posts: 3,222
Best OT performance in 2017 by largest airlines based on number departures
1. JAL - 85.27%
2. ANA - 83.81%
3. Delta - 82.76%
4. IndiGo - 81.22%
5. Alaska - 81.06%
6. SAS - 80.9%
7. United - 79.86%
8. LATAM - 79.39%
9. American - 78.97%
10 - tie - BA & Southwest - 78.55%
Best overall OT performance in 2017 for "Mega" airports
1. Tokyo HND - 86.75%
2. Madrid - 83.63%
3. Atlanta - 82.38%
4. Denver - 82.24%
5. Dallas DFW - 81.36%
6. Singapore - 80.57%
7. Chicago ORD - 79.85%
8. Amsterdam - 77.09%
9. Frankfurt - 76.35%
10. London LHR - 74.8
1. JAL - 85.27%
2. ANA - 83.81%
3. Delta - 82.76%
4. IndiGo - 81.22%
5. Alaska - 81.06%
6. SAS - 80.9%
7. United - 79.86%
8. LATAM - 79.39%
9. American - 78.97%
10 - tie - BA & Southwest - 78.55%
Best overall OT performance in 2017 for "Mega" airports
1. Tokyo HND - 86.75%
2. Madrid - 83.63%
3. Atlanta - 82.38%
4. Denver - 82.24%
5. Dallas DFW - 81.36%
6. Singapore - 80.57%
7. Chicago ORD - 79.85%
8. Amsterdam - 77.09%
9. Frankfurt - 76.35%
10. London LHR - 74.8
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Jan 5, 2018, 5:53 pm
#103
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: RDU
Programs: DL DM+(segs)/MM, UA Ag, Hilton DM, Marriott Ti (life Pt), TSA Opt-out Platinum
Posts: 3,222
Because for some mysterious reason (to me), folks are obsessed with bashing DL winter ops at ATL. Folks who live up north in snow prone areas with excellent snow removal services don’t understand (or choose not to understand) why the southern areas get paralyzed in a winter weather event.
Jan 5, 2018, 5:53 pm
#104
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Orlando, FL Area
Programs: Delta SkySponge ExtraAbsorbent, SPG Gold
Posts: 29,988
Delta frequently sends dozens of employees from their Northern hubs down to ATL for deicing help during winter weather.
As mentioned, Delta runs at maximum deicing capacity in ATL, and even paid to expand it a few years ago. There's just no more room.
There's an argument to be made Atlanta runs at too high a capacity and that Delta should move connections over other hubs... but obviously Delta's chosen not to do that.
Why are we even talking about ATL anyways? This storm didn't affect it.