Dec 17, 2017, 10:45 pm
Last edit by: RatherBeOnATrain
Waiver posted: https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...er-outage.html
as of ~1am EST on 12/18:
AFFECTED CITIES (TO / FROM / THROUGH)
Atlanta, GA (ATL)
IMPACTED TRAVEL DATE(S)
December 17-19, 2017
TICKET MUST BE REISSUED ON OR BEFORE
December 22, 2017
REBOOKED TRAVEL MUST BEGIN NO LATER THAN
December 22, 2017
An Atlanta newspaper article that describes the aiport's lack of preparation and poor communications during the outage: MyAJC - Zero communication, Airport had no plan for total power outage (Posted: 8:28 p.m. Monday, December 18, 2017)
as of ~1am EST on 12/18:
AFFECTED CITIES (TO / FROM / THROUGH)
Atlanta, GA (ATL)
IMPACTED TRAVEL DATE(S)
December 17-19, 2017
TICKET MUST BE REISSUED ON OR BEFORE
December 22, 2017
REBOOKED TRAVEL MUST BEGIN NO LATER THAN
December 22, 2017
An Atlanta newspaper article that describes the aiport's lack of preparation and poor communications during the outage: MyAJC - Zero communication, Airport had no plan for total power outage (Posted: 8:28 p.m. Monday, December 18, 2017)
Power outage in ATL
Dec 18, 2017, 12:46 am
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Most flights I am seeing from other airports have an ETD of 15:30, this will probably change.
Anyway, obviously this isn't Delta's fault but is there a way/possible chance to get compensation from ATL/the airport authority? I always here of airlines shelling out compensation but never airports, and while I've never had any issue with any airline that required more than getting me to my destination many airports/their operations have left a lot to be desired.
Anyway, obviously this isn't Delta's fault but is there a way/possible chance to get compensation from ATL/the airport authority? I always here of airlines shelling out compensation but never airports, and while I've never had any issue with any airline that required more than getting me to my destination many airports/their operations have left a lot to be desired.
Dec 18, 2017, 2:09 am
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According to GA Power the fire caused the auxiliary switches to catch on fire.
My only question: who designed a system where the main and auxiliary switches are next to each other? Data centers, hospitals, and other critical infrastructure design their buildings to AVOID this.
In no no way is this DLs fault, they merely are renters at ATL. with that said put this in perspective.....
Pretend ATL is a hospital instead of an airport, if the design was the same we would be talking about a lot of dead people when there ventilators, and other machines shut off.
My only question: who designed a system where the main and auxiliary switches are next to each other? Data centers, hospitals, and other critical infrastructure design their buildings to AVOID this.
In no no way is this DLs fault, they merely are renters at ATL. with that said put this in perspective.....
Pretend ATL is a hospital instead of an airport, if the design was the same we would be talking about a lot of dead people when there ventilators, and other machines shut off.
Dec 18, 2017, 3:41 am
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I did see a comment where passengers were told planes that ran out of fuel on the tarmac were being evacuated first... who knows if that is accurate or not.
Dec 18, 2017, 3:42 am
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+1. I was thinking the same thing. I'd love to see the one-line diagram here also. That would answer a lot of questions. But, if ATL operates like DL, it's all about obfuscation -- the opposite of transparency, openness and honesty, so highly unlikely for them to come clean.
Dec 18, 2017, 3:48 am
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Delta is an amateur at this when compared to the city of Atlanta.
Dec 18, 2017, 3:56 am
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Exactly
Dec 18, 2017, 4:48 am
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Dec 18, 2017, 4:58 am
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Dec 18, 2017, 5:01 am
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According to GA Power the fire caused the auxiliary switches to catch on fire.
My only question: who designed a system where the main and auxiliary switches are next to each other? Data centers, hospitals, and other critical infrastructure design their buildings to AVOID this.
In no no way is this DLs fault, they merely are renters at ATL. with that said put this in perspective.....
Pretend ATL is a hospital instead of an airport, if the design was the same we would be talking about a lot of dead people when there ventilators, and other machines shut off.
My only question: who designed a system where the main and auxiliary switches are next to each other? Data centers, hospitals, and other critical infrastructure design their buildings to AVOID this.
In no no way is this DLs fault, they merely are renters at ATL. with that said put this in perspective.....
Pretend ATL is a hospital instead of an airport, if the design was the same we would be talking about a lot of dead people when there ventilators, and other machines shut off.
When I work with clients and we do site strategy work, infrastructure and operational reliability is always a concern. You can contractually pawn off responsibility to a supplier but that doesn't mean you've actually pawned it off.
With that said, I don't blame Delta or the airport for this. I can guarantee you most airports (as well as most things like stadiums, etc) all have a master switch room that - if destroyed - would cripple the facility. They likely had redundant equipment such that if anything failed in the switch room it would still work, but they did not plan for physical destruction. Very, very few non-life safety critical places (data centers being an example*) actually invest in truly physically isolated redundant systems. It was probably acknowledged as a potential SPoF in the event of catastrophic damage and managed as an acceptable risk.
edit: * even then not all data centers physically isolate their systems such that they could survive catastrophic damage (not just component failure) to their electric system
Dec 18, 2017, 5:07 am
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This is wrong, it is definitely Delta's fault. This is not some outstation that they service, this is their core hub and they closely partner with the Atlanta airport on everything (including master site planning like ATLNext as well as smaller projects like the TSA "innovation lanes").
When I work with clients and we do site strategy work, infrastructure and operational reliability is always a concern. You can contractually pawn off responsibility to a supplier but that doesn't mean you've actually pawned it off.
With that said, I don't blame Delta or the airport for this. I can guarantee you most airports (as well as most things like stadiums, etc) all have a master switch room that - if destroyed - would cripple the facility. They likely had redundant equipment such that if anything failed in the switch room it would still work, but they did not plan for physical destruction. Very, very few non-life safety critical places (data centers being an example*) actually invest in truly physically isolated redundant systems. It was probably acknowledged as a potential SPoF in the event of catastrophic damage and managed as an acceptable risk.
edit: * even then not all data centers physically isolate their systems such that they could survive catastrophic damage (not just component failure) to their electric system
When I work with clients and we do site strategy work, infrastructure and operational reliability is always a concern. You can contractually pawn off responsibility to a supplier but that doesn't mean you've actually pawned it off.
With that said, I don't blame Delta or the airport for this. I can guarantee you most airports (as well as most things like stadiums, etc) all have a master switch room that - if destroyed - would cripple the facility. They likely had redundant equipment such that if anything failed in the switch room it would still work, but they did not plan for physical destruction. Very, very few non-life safety critical places (data centers being an example*) actually invest in truly physically isolated redundant systems. It was probably acknowledged as a potential SPoF in the event of catastrophic damage and managed as an acceptable risk.
edit: * even then not all data centers physically isolate their systems such that they could survive catastrophic damage (not just component failure) to their electric system
ATL apparently does not consider themselves to be a critical infrastructure.
Dec 18, 2017, 5:10 am
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Dec 18, 2017, 5:14 am
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I don't think you fully appreciate what is required to physically isolate electrical equipment. As an example, high end hospitals do provide physical isolation for a separate circuit that powers equipment deemed to be life safety critical but that is usually it.
Dec 18, 2017, 5:17 am
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Nuclear power plants fall under my life safety comment. And they are also some of the (if not the) most expensive structures that are built in the world owing to that hyper redundant and generally fail safe design.